Alexander Sergeievich Stroganov.

[nevsky 17]

Greetings everybody and compliments to the administrators of this forum.

Have been researching roots for quite some time now to arrive, recently, to "A.S.Stroganov", the main russian alias of Le comte de Saint Germain :

He first appeared in St Petersburg as "Serge Saltycov" and fathered Pavel, later on however he also used "Ivan Saltycov"-Moscau's governor and "Ivan Betskoy", possibly also "Kokorinov".

(While in France and Germany he was also known as Augustin Henry Cochin, Melchior Grimm, Baron de Chastellux etc.)
 
The importance of these findings neccessitate public scrutiny, therefore this post, to wellcome any contradictory input!

Lastly:

1788-1792 or so, a greek naval uprising took place led by a "Lambros Katsonis" (Canzani, Cacciani etc) working under Potemkin's orders, as written. Lambros  then retreated to Livadia, Ukraine where he lived for the rest of his life and on his estate-granted to him by Catherine The Great- the summer home of the last Tsars was built after 1861. Any relative information-re his post1792 life and real name- will be wellcome.

Thanks in anticipation!


 

   

[Mari]

This has a little bit of information! One of the most fascinating of all I have included the whole article for those not as familiar with the background.

ONE of the most mysterious characters in modern history is the famous Count de St. Germain, described by his friend Prince Karl von Hesse as "one of the greatest philosophers who ever lived, the friend of humanity, whose heart was concerned only with the happiness of others." Intimate and counselor of Kings and Princes, nemesis of deceptive ministers, Rosicrucian, Mason, accredited Messenger of the Masters of Wisdom -- the Count de St. Germain worked in Europe for more than a century, faithfully performing the difficult task which had been entrusted to him.

The amazing and inscrutable personality in which the Adept known as St. Germain clothed himself was the outstanding topic of conversation among the nobility of the eighteenth century. During the 112 years that he is said to have lived in Europe, he always presented the appearance of a man about forty-five years of age. He was of medium height, with a slender, graceful figure, a captivating smile, and eyes of peculiar beauty. "Oh, what eyes!" sighed the Countess d'Adhémar. "I have never seen their equal!" He was an extraordinary linguist, speaking French, German, English, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian and Swedish without the slightest trace of an accent, and his knowledge of Sanscrit, Chinese and Arabic showed that he was well acquainted with the East. His proficiency in music was equally remarkable. As a violinist he is said to have rivalled Paganini, while his performances on the harpsichord called forth enthusiastic applause from Frederick the Great. His ability to improvise made a great impression on Rameau, who met him in Venice in 1710. St. Germain was also a composer. One of his musical compositions was given to Tchaikowski, Prince Ferdinand von Lobkowitz inherited a second, while two others, bearing the dates 1745 and 1760, are the property of the British Museum.

The Count de St. Germain was also a painter of rare ability, famed for his power to reproduce the original brilliance of precious stones on canvas. Although he refused to betray his secret, it was commonly supposed that he produced the effect by mixing powdered mother-of-pearl with his pigments. He was highly esteemed as an art critic and was frequently consulted in regard to the authenticity of paintings.

The prodigious memory of the Count de St. Germain was a constant source of amazement to his friends. He would merely glance at a paper, and days afterward repeat its contents without missing a word. He was ambidextrous, and could write a poem with one hand while he framed a diplomatic paper with the other. He frequently read sealed letters without touching them and was known to answer questions before they had been put into words.

Many of St. Germain's friends had practical proof of his alchemical knowledge. Casanova relates that one day while visiting St. Germain in his laboratory, the latter asked for a silver coin. In a few moments it was returned to Casanova as pure gold. St. Germain also possessed the secret of melting several small diamonds into one large stone, an art learned in India, he said. While visiting the French Ambassador to The Hague, he broke up a superb diamond of his own manufacture, the duplicate of which he had recently sold for 5500 louis d'or. On another occasion he removed a flaw from a diamond belonging to Louis XV, increasing the value of the stone by 4000 livres. On gala occasions he appeared with a diamond ring on every finger and with shoe-buckles estimated to be worth at least 200,000 francs.

[Mari]

continued:
he charming personality of the Count de St. Germain made him a welcome guest in the homes of the nobility of every land. But while he often sat at table with his friends, his own food was specially prepared for him in his own apartments. He ate no meat and drank no wine, his favorite beverage being a tea which he prepared from certain herbs, and which he frequently presented to his friends. His extraordinary popularity was due to his prowess as a raconteur, to his well known intimacy with the greatest men and women of the day, to his familiarity with occult subjects, and especially to the mystery of his birth and nationality, which he consistently refused to reveal. He spoke with feeling of things which had happened hundreds of years in the past, giving the impression that he himself had been present. One evening, while he was recounting an event which had happened many centuries before, he turned to his butler and asked if any important details had been omitted. "Monsieur le Comte forgets," his butler replied, "that I have been with him only five hundred years. I could not, therefore, have been present at that occurrence. It must have been my predecessor." If, as many claimed, St. Germain affirmed that he had lived in Chaldea and possessed the secrets of the Egyptian sages, he may have spoken the truth without making any miraculous claim. There are Initiates, and not necessarily of the highest, who are able to recall many of their past lives. This may have been St. Germain's way of calling attention of his friends to the doctrine of reincarnation. Or perhaps he knew the secret of "the Elixir of Life."

Although no one knew when the Count de St. Germain was born, his life from 1710 to 1822 is a matter of history. Both Rameau and the Countess de Georgy met him in Venice in 1710. Fifty years later the aged Countess met him in Madame Pompadour's house and asked him if his father had been in Venice in that year. "No, Madame," the Count replied, "but I myself was living in Venice at the end of the last and the beginning of this century. I had the honor to pay you court then, and you were kind enough to admire a little Barcarolle of my composing." The Countess could not believe her ears. "But if that is true," she gasped, "you must be at least a hundred years old!" The Count smiled. "That, Madame, is not impossible!"

In 1723 the Count showed his mother's portrait, which he always wore on his arm, to the mother of the future Countess de Genlis. It was a miniature of an exceptionally beautiful woman, dressed in a costume unfamiliar to the Countess. "To what period does this costume belong?" the Countess inquired. The Count merely smiled and changed the subject.

From 1737 to 1742 the Count de St. Germain was living in the Court of the Shah of Persia, occupied with alchemical research. On his return from Persia he settled in Versailles and became an intimate friend of Louis XV and Madame Pompadour. In the following year he was caught in the Jacobite Revolution in England. From there he went to Vienna, and afterward visited Frederick the Great in his castle of Sans-Souci in Potsdam, where Voltaire was also an honored guest. Although Voltaire was opposed to St. Germain's fellow-Theosophist Saint-Martin, his admiration for St. Germain was unbounded. In a letter to Frederick, Voltaire expressed his opinion that "the Count de St. Germain is a man who was never born, who will never die, and who knows everything."

In 1755 the Count de St. Germain accompanied General Clive to India. On his return to France Louis XV gave him a suite of apartments in the Royal Chateau of Chambord, in Touraine. Here he often entertained the King and members of the Court in the alchemical laboratory which the King had provided for him.

In 1760 Louis sent the Count de St. Germain on a delicate diplomatic mission to The Hague and London. At that time he discovered that the Duc de Choiseul, who up to that time had been implicitly trusted by the King, was playing a double game. Although St. Germain confided this fact to the King, the former was determined that the Peace Treaty between England and France should be signed, no matter who received the credit. So one evening in May, 1761, St. Germain called upon the Duc de Choiseul and remained closeted with him the whole night. This conference resulted in the celebrated alliance known as the Family Compact. This in its turn was the forerunner of the Treaty of Paris, which brought the colonial war between England and France to a close.
In the following year St. Germain was called to St. Petersburg, where he played an important part in the revolution which placed Catherine the Great upon the throne of Russia. He left the country in the uniform of a Russian general, with full credentials to which the imperial seal of Russia was affixed. Shortly afterward he appeared in Tunis and Leghorn while the Russian fleet was there, again in Russian uniform, and known under the name of Graf Saltikoff.

After the death of Louis XV in 1774, St. Germain spent several years traveling in Germany and Austria. Among the Kings, Princes, Ambassadors and scholars who met him during those years, how many suspected that the soul of a great Adept looked out through the eyes of the Count de St. Germain? How many realized that they were conversing with an emissary of that Great Fraternity of Perfected Men who stand behind the scenes of all the great world-dramas, one who was directing not only the minor currents of European history, but some of the major currents as well? How many were aware of St. Germain's real mission, part of which was the introduction of Theosophical principles into the various occult fraternities of the day?

[Mari]

continued:
The Rosicrucian organizations were certainly helped by him. While Christian Rosencreuz, the founder of the Order, transmitted his teachings orally, St. Germain recorded the doctrines in figures, and one of his enciphered manuscripts became the property of his staunch friend, Prince Karl von Hesse. H.P.B. mentions this manuscript in The Secret Doctrine (II, 202) and quotes at length from another (II, 582). While St. Germain was living in Vienna he spent much of his time in the Rosicrucian laboratory on the Landstrasse, and at one time lived in the room which Leibniz occupied in 1713. St. Germain also worked with the Fratres Lucis, and with the "Knights and Brothers of Asia" who studied Rosicrucian and Hermetic science and made the "philosopher's stone"(1) one of the objects of their research.

Although an effort has been made to eliminate St. Germain's name from modern Masonic literature, careful research into Masonic archives will prove that he occupied a prominent position in eighteenth century Masonry. He acted as a delegate to the Wilhelmsbad Convention in 1782 and to the great Paris Convention of 1785. Cadet de Gassicourt described him as a travelling member of the Knights Templar, and Deschamps says that Cagliostro was initiated into that Order by St. Germain.

The Count de St. Germain is said to have died on February 27, 1784, and the Church Register of Eckernförde in Danish Holstein contains the record of his death and burial. But as it happens, some of St. Germain's most important work was done after that date. This fact is brought out in the Souvenirs de Marie-Antoinette, written by one of her ladies-in-waiting, the Countess d'Adhémar. This diary was started in 1760 and ended in 1821, one year before the death of the Countess, and a large part of it is concerned with St. Germain's efforts to avert the horrors of the French Revolution.

Early one Sunday morning in 1788 the Countess was surprised to receive a visit from the Count de St. Germain, whom she had not seen in several years. He warned her that a giant conspiracy was under foot, in which the Encyclopaedists would use the Duc de Chartres in an effort to overthrow the monarchy, and asked her to take him to the Queen. When Madame d'Adhémar reported the conversation to Marie-Antoinette, the Queen confessed that she also had received another communication from this mysterious stranger who had protected her with warnings from the day of her arrival in France. On the following day St. Germain was admitted into the private apartments of the Queen. "Madame," he said to her, "for twenty years I was on intimate terms with the late King, who deigned to listen to me with kindness. He made use of my poor abilities on several occasions, and I do not think he regretted giving me his confidence." After warning her of the serious condition of France, he asked her to communicate his message to the King and to request the King not to consult with Maurepas. But the King ignored the warning, and went directly to Maurepas, who immediately called upon Madame d'Adhémar. In the midst of the conversation St. Germain appeared. He confronted Maurepas with his treachery and said to him: "In opposing yourself to my seeing the monarch, you are losing the monarchy, for I have but a limited time to give to France. This time over, I shall not be seen here again, until after three successive generations have gone down to the grave,"

The second warning from St. Germain came on July 14, 1789, when the Queen was saying farewell to the Duchesse de Polignac. She opened the letter and read: "My words have fallen on your ears in vain, and you have reached the period of which I informed you. All the Polignacs and their friends are doomed to death. The Comte d'Artois will perish."

His farewell letter, addressed to Madame d'Adhémar, arrived on October 5, 1789. "All is lost, Countess!" he wrote. "This sun is the last which will set on the monarchy. Tomorrow it will exist no more. My advice has been scorned. Now it is too late. . . ." In that letter he asked the Countess to meet him early the next morning. In that conversation the Count de St. Germain informed her that the time when he could have helped France was past. "I can do nothing now. My hands are tied by one stronger than myself. The hour of repose is past, and the decrees of Providence must be fulfilled." He foretold the death of the Queen, the complete ruin of the Bourbons, the rise of Napoleon. "And you yourself?" the Countess asked. "I must go to Sweden," he answered. "A great crime is brewing there, and I am going to try to prevent it. His Majesty Gustavus III interests me. He is worth more than his renown." The Countess inquired if she would see him again. "Five times more," he answered. "Do not wish for the sixth."

True to his word, the Count de St. Germain appeared to the Countess d'Adhémar on five different occasions: at the beheading of the Queen; on the 18th Brumaire; the day following the death of the Duc d'Enghien in 1804; in January, 1813; on the eve of the assassination of the Duc de Berri in 1820. Presumably, the sixth time was on the day of her death, in 1822.

What happened to the Count de St. Germain after that date? Did he, as Andrew Lang asks, "die in the palace of Prince Karl von Hesse about 1780-85? Did he, on the other hand, escape from the French prison where Grosley thought he saw him, during the French Revolution? Was he known to Lord Lytton about 1860? Who knows?" Who, indeed. One of the Masters spoke of the "benevolent German Prince from whose house, and in whose presence he (St. Germain) made his last exit -- home."

In the last decade of the eighteenth century St. Germain confided his future plans to his Austrian friend, Franz Graeffer, saying,

    Tomorrow night I am off. I am much needed in Constantinople, then in England, there to prepare two new inventions which you will have in the next century -- trains and steamboats. Toward the end of this century I shall disappear out of Europe,  and betake myself to the region of the Himalayas. I will rest; I must rest. Exactly in 85 years will people again set eyes on me. Farewell. (Kleine Wiener Memorien.)

These words were spoken in 1790. Eighty-five years from that date brings us to 1875. What part did St. Germain play in the Theosophical Movement of last century? What part is he going to play in the present century? H.P.B. gave a cryptic suggestion of the time when he would again appear:

    The Count de St. Germain was certainly the greatest Oriental Adept Europe had seen during the last centuries. But Europe knew him not. Perchance some may recognize him at the next Terreur, which will affect all Europe when it comes, and not one country alone.

COMPILER'S NOTE: I added this footnote; it was not in the article. It is an exact quote from the Theosophical Glossary by H. P. Blavatsky:

http://www.blavatsky.net/magazine/theosophy/ww/setting/germain.html

[nevsky 17]

Thanks for Saint Germain's myth, Mari!

To return to reality see "Melchior Grimm (revisited)" below:

http://www.online-literature.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35779

[Mari]

Wonderful! I look forward to reading this Site and comparing this with the "Myth". I have always been interested in this subject although I confess I have not researched it as you have. I look forward to your posting your findings up to 1792 and sharing some information with us. 

[nevsky 17]

Will do, soon as my findings are disputed quoting more reliable sources. 

For instance, do you know the family link between Mme Blavatsky and Sergei Witte and the latter's "greek" descendants?

[nevsky 17]

To continue-and add to- Saint Germain's  "russian multiple personalities":
 
Paul I's paranoia (http://nationalism.org/patranoia/files/ragsdale-tsar-paul.pdf) may well be justified if the following persons surrounding him 
turn out to be one and the same:

a)Sergei Vasilievitch Saltykov (Paul’s father), who "was ambassador to Paris 1761-1762" (History of My Life By Giacomo Casanova, Willard R. Trask, p356) married 1750 to a “Matryona Pavlovna”.. ….
b) Peter Semen Saltycov, governor of Moscau (with whom Catherine corresponded in French).
and
c)Nikolai Ivanovitch Saltycov (Paul's tutor while he was in Elizabeth's care-who replaced N.Panin-Catherine’s spy, the general who previously defeated the Prussians, 1759).

the last "outlives" the others (who had to "die" for various reasons to long to explain) : 

Without doubt, the most formidable and impressive of Alexis’s close relatives was his grandfather General Nikolai Ivanovich Soltykoff (1736 - 1816) who became chairman of the war committee under Empress Catherine II and her son and heir Emperor Paul I, and later president of Council of the Empire and of the Board of Ministers and lastly Field Marshal of the Empire. After the wedding of Grand Duke Pavel (Paul) Petrovich son of Catherine II to Natalia Alekseyevna General Soltykoff was appointed by Catherine II to run their small household. In 1795, at the age of 59 he was described as a being 'small, thin and with a sharp nose; a very devout man who spent a long time each morning at his prayers; he wore a high, powdered and pomaded toupet and had a limp; and constantly pulled up his breeches'.[2] As an example of his commanding influence, when Catherine (The Great) had a stroke in 1796 and her grandson Alexander arrived at the Winter Palace, he was not allowed to see her for several hours. Count Saltykov - 'first personage' of Catherine’s court - had feared that Alexander may try to proclaim himself Tsar. At 5pm he gave permission. She died the next evening.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Dmitriyevich_Saltykov

Count-General Nikolai, head of the Malta knights of Russia, the same who:

Au décès de Paul Ier, en 1801, son fils Alexandre Ier de Russie, conscient de cette irrégularité, décide de rétablir les anciens us et coutumes de l'Ordre catholique des Hospitaliers[1], par un édit du 16 mars 1801 par lequel il laisse les membres profès libres de choisir un nouveau chef. Néanmoins, étant donnée l'impossibilité de réunir l'ensemble des électeurs, le comte Nicholas Soltykoff assure l'intérim de la charge.

BTW there is a relative post in here (by Dr Richard Walding,Research Fellow,Griffith University, Australia) that has been left unattended for quite a while. 

[nevsky 17]

According to "The Russian Empire in the Eighteenth Century By Aleksandr Kamenskiĭ, David Griffiths" p193 however it was Peter Saltycov who defeated the prussians at Kunersdorf.........

[nevsky 17]

Copy pasted from relevant side as above mentioned!

Paul I’s assassination.

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A lot has been written on the subject and it is more or less common knowledge that Paul never really accepted his problematic heritage, never forgiving his mother for her “Saltycov” affair that brought him to life.

It would be therefore correct to assume that Paul as Tzar also attacked the specific members of Russian nobility that shared his secret and that his “Pauline law”, establishing the succession to the throne to the male hires of the Tzar, and his simultaneous attack on the “old aristocrats” were the basic motives of his murderers.

Paul’s reconciliation with Rome (Paul believed in the unification of the two churches and Pius VII had restored the Jesuit order in Russia following Paul’s written application, shortly before his murder) is furthermore an indication of his attempt to reconcile with France who was also at the time on their way to the Concordat (signed mid 1801, recognising Catholicism as the religion of the 'great majority' of the French people), a part of Paul’s foreign policy, must have also seriously disturbed Jacobin plans at the time.

For these reasons, our “hero” staged his son’s assassination and replacement by his grandson, Tzar Alexander I, the execution carried out by the known group of assassins, Platon Zubov, Pahlen, Coutchubey and Paul Alexandrovich Stroganov, our heroe’s other son, the victim’s halfbrother and, according to some sources, heading the group of assassins . (Paul had avoided a previous 1800 assassination plan by expellling the conspirators from Russia, among them the british ambassador)

P.A.Stroganov, a Jacobin, member of the “Noeuf soeurs” and the Grand Orient of France (Oleg Platonov) , among Russia’s first ministers in 1802 (deputy minister under Cotchubey) is evidence of our heroe’s-his father- “strong allegiance” or even submission to the Jacobins and their “D’Orleans” link that enabled them to safely return to Fance, among them propably Alexander I himself in 1825..

Following a visit to London, P.A. Stroganov died suddenly 1817 on board a vessel bound for Copenhagen thus our hero’s “Stroganov” line came to an end (P.A.Stroganov’s own son was previously killed fighting Napoleon) but considering our hero’s other “child producing” endeavours there was no lack of heirs, thus

In 1828 a count Stroganov was granted a loan of 3.2 million rubbles (some 25 % of the sumtotal loans at the time by Krankin.
"The Modernisation of Russia, 1676-1825" By Simon Dixon p96)

And

A count Sergei Stroganov senator, member of the State Council, general-governor of Moscow, he owned 94000 adult male serfs and 1400000 hectares of land, *8.11.1794, +Stroganoff Palace 27.5.1882; m.1818 Css Natalia Pavlovna Stroganova (*1796 +1872)…

....appears to have awfully much in common with the Saltycov branch of the family.


THE END

P.S Present day descendants of the Cocchini family, residents of the “Grand Orient” and in “positions of authority” are by themselves proof of the correctness of the above conclusions:

Placed on both sides of a potential future “hotspot” they seem to me as ready to stage another “opera buffa” which I have no interest whatsoever to witness.

Fortunately one side, “Moscau’s realtor”, is, as far as I am able to distinguish, a talented stage manager of Hesiod’s original “Prometheus bound” whereas the other side, “Bolek and Lolek”, are stuck on the disputed Aeschyllus version and while preparing their “Hermes" (agoraeus) part, they are also contemplating Pandora’s reintroduction .

It’ll flop, trust me, I know, afterall I am greek!

[nevsky 17]

In the meantime the original of above post has been modified (solving "Lambros Katsonis" mystery among others) as follows (complete text):

     Paul I’s assassination.

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A lot has been written on the subject and it is more or less common knowledge that Paul never really accepted his problematic heritage and hated his mother for her “Saltycov” affair that brought him to life.

It would be therefore correct to assume that Paul as Tzar also attacked the specific members of Russian nobility that shared his secret and that his “Pauline law”-establishing the succession to the throne to the male hires of the Tzar- and his simultaneous attack on the “old aristocrats” were the basic motives of his murderers.

Paul’s reconciliation with Rome (Paul believed in the unification of the two churches and Pius VII had restored the Jesuit order in Russia following Paul’s written application, shortly before his murder) is furthermore an indication of his attempt to reconcile as well with France (at the time on their way to the Concordat, signed mid 1801, recognising Catholicism as the religion of the 'great majority' of the French people). This part of Paul’s foreign policy must have also seriously disturbed Jacobin plans at the time!

For these reasons our “hero” decided his son’s assassination and replacement by his grandson, Tzar Alexander I, the execution carried out by the known group of assassins, Platon Zubov, Pahlen, Benningsen,Kotchubey* and Paul Alexandrovich Stroganov, our heroe’s other son, the victim’s halfbrother and, according to some sources, leader of the group of assassins . (Paul had cancelled a previous 1800 assassination plan by expellling the conspirators from Russia, among them the british ambassador)

P.A.Stroganov, a Jacobin, member of the “Noeuf soeurs” and the Grand Orient of France (according to Oleg Platonov) , among Russia’s first ministers in 1802 (deputy minister under Kotchubey) is evidence of our heroe’s “strong allegiance” or even submission to the Jacobins and their “D’Orleans” link that enabled members of his family to safely return later to France, (among them propably Alexander I himself in 1825)..

Following a visit to London, P.A. Stroganov died suddenly 1817 on board a vessel bound for Copenhagen thus our hero’s “Stroganov” line came to an end (P.A.Stroganov’s own son was previously killed fighting Napoleon) but, considering his other “child producing” endeavours there was no lack of heirs, thus:

In 1828 a count Stroganov was granted a loan of 3.2 million rubbles (some 25 % of the sumtotal loans at the time by Krankin.
"The Modernisation of Russia, 1676-1825" By Simon Dixon p96)

And

A count Sergei Stroganov senator, member of the State Council, general-governor of Moscow, he owned 94000 adult male serfs and 1400000 hectares of land, *8.11.1794, +Stroganoff Palace 27.5.1882; m.1818 Css Natalia Pavlovna Stroganova (*1796 +1872)…

....appears to have awfully much in common with the "Saltycov branch"** of the family.


THE END

*Note: A mysterious character, this "Victor Kotchubey", highly talented and with a western lustre, he was russian ambassador to Constantinople 1796 or so(As "colonel Rooke", was there 1810, see footnotes 288,289 of J.C.Hobhaus diary at http://www.hobby-o.com/constantinople.php#fn288) , ie shortly after "Labros Katsonis's" aegean adventures. It's not just the latter's name, originally "Caccioni" (Gasparo Caccioni, an older music associate of Gioachino Cocchi) and "Canciani" (Giuessepe Canciani, cooperated with Gluck, founder of russian ballet) linking him to Saint Germain but his portrait too:
See and compare the portraits of Lambros and Victor on the web: The same face! (Victor's portrait at http://european-miniatures2.blogspot.com/ item 1042, Lambros's-by Johann Baptist Lampi, the same who portrayed Alexander S.Stroganov-at Wikipedia).
"Kotchubey" is also spelled "Kotsebu" in Odessa, Crimea (Odessa's second governor, around 1860-70, after Stroganov).

**Note: Equally mysterious, possibly another alias or son of "Saint Germain", is count Ivan Petrovich Saltykov who also had a part in Paul I's "removal".

P.S.

Present day descendants of the Cocchini family, residents of the “Grand Orient” and in “positions of authority”, are by themselves proof of the correctness of all above conclusions:

Placed on both sides of a potential future “hotspot” they seem to me as ready to stage another “opera buffa” which I have no interest whatsoever to witness.

Fortunately one side, “Moscau’s realtor”, is, as far as I am able to distinguish, a talented stage manager of Hesiod’s original “Prometheus bound” whereas the other side, “Bolek and Lolek” etc, are stuck on the disputed Aeschyllus version and while preparing their “Hermes" (agoraeus) part, they are also contemplating Pandora’s reintroduction (via the sea, as a victorious mermaid)!.

It’ll flop, trust me, I know, afterall I am greek!

[Mari]

This is very interesting...General Soltykoff was appointed by Catherine II to run their small household. In 1795, at the age of 59 he was described as a being 'small, thin and with a sharp nose. Any other descriptions for the other names?

[nevsky 17]

As a relative of Antonio Cocchi, he was a vegetarian:
 
"Saint Germain", "Chastellux" and "Grimm"  are all described as strict vegetarians (Chastellux eating only "above ground" vegetables) and we have Edgar Poe's description of Saint Germain as well (The Visionary  below rather than above average hight) and his (Grimm's Cocchi's Saint Germain's) portraits too.

Furthermore (Re "Comte Soltycoff"):

a)Catherine's trust to him (following her affair with "the late" Sergei Saltycov),
b)his remaining in- absolute- power following Paul I's death and
c)his control over the Malta "Hospitaliers"...         

Au décès de Paul Ier, en 1801, son fils Alexandre Ier de Russie, conscient de cette irrégularité, décide de rétablir les anciens us et coutumes de l'Ordre catholique des Hospitaliers[1], par un édit du 16 mars 1801 par lequel il laisse les membres profès libres de choisir un nouveau chef. Néanmoins, étant donnée l'impossibilité de réunir l'ensemble des électeurs, le comte Nicholas Soltykoff assure l'intérim de la charge.

...and many other pointers as well (such as the absence of any letters from Catherine to any of his other aliases in Paris) all lead to him being the same as "A.S.Stroganov"(who initiated Voltaire- and Franklin- to The Nine Muses according to "Grimm") also known as "ab Amiantho", of the Strict Observance.

In disguise but a true Czar (and beyond) nevertheless. 

   

[nevsky 17]

Am I correct to assume you have solved my above riddle (in the PS) Mari?

'Cause that's where the "very interesting" part of my-otherwise conservative-revelations is hidden!

BTW Can you please confirm that Peter Semen "Saltycov" was Catherine's captain of guards in Saint Petersburg 1774-5 (before becoming governor of Moscau) ?





 

[nevsky 17]

Catherine's captain of the guards was a Peter S.(ergeyevich) K. ("Cochin"), a son propably of comte "Saint Germain-Saltycov-Stroganov etc". He owned a house in the munition yard next to Catherine's Palace. Around 1774 he appears in Moscau as "Petr Nikitich(or Nikolayevich) K." and is the architect responsible for the town's renovation.

His father, as Stroganov and Kokorinov, renovated Petersburg. Saint Germain also signed (at the Lodge of the Neuf Soeurs) as "Nicholas Bricaire de La Dixmerie" (Nicholas the bricklayer of the tenth part-merie=μεριά=part in grk).

Petr Nikolaeyvich was propably the father of my g-g-grandfather.   

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