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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #270 on: November 14, 2011, 02:07:51 PM »
Nicholas' diary (1918)

"9 April. Monday.

... Found out about the arrival of the special authorized [person] Yakovlev from Moscow; he moved into the Kornilov house. The children imagined that he will show up today to do a search and burned all letters, and Maria and Anastasia also [burned] their diaries... "

I wonder how they decided which ones to keep and which ones to burn... 

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #271 on: November 14, 2011, 03:20:25 PM »
I think Marie's "naughty ones" may have been burnt.

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #272 on: November 14, 2011, 03:30:34 PM »
As I mentioned in a prior post on this thread, IMO the girls' pre-1917 diaries were likely packed in crates in the outside storage sheds, as Nicholas and Alexandra's were. They probably only burned what was immediately at hand: the 1917 & 1918 volumes.
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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #273 on: November 14, 2011, 03:33:48 PM »
Most likely. I think the girls diary and letters would reveal what they thought about other members of the Romanov Family.

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #274 on: November 18, 2011, 12:08:48 PM »
As I mentioned in a prior post on this thread, IMO the girls' pre-1917 diaries were likely packed in crates in the outside storage sheds, as Nicholas and Alexandra's were. They probably only burned what was immediately at hand: the 1917 & 1918 volumes.

That makes total sense. So as far as we know none of the post-1916 diaries of the two girls survived? 

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #275 on: November 18, 2011, 12:32:23 PM »
Most likely. I think the girls diary and letters would reveal what they thought about other members of the Romanov Family.

Possibly, but not necessarily... 

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #276 on: November 18, 2011, 04:12:16 PM »
As I mentioned in a prior post on this thread, IMO the girls' pre-1917 diaries were likely packed in crates in the outside storage sheds, as Nicholas and Alexandra's were. They probably only burned what was immediately at hand: the 1917 & 1918 volumes.

That makes total sense. So as far as we know none of the post-1916 diaries of the two girls survived?  

Correct -- provided Royal Sisters of Mercy reported GARF's holdings accurately.

The blank book Tatiana used for her 1916 diary ends in late fall or early winter. (The latest entry printed in RSM is 24 October 1916.) Presumably she began a fresh one in late 1916 which would have continued into 1917, but no such diary is known to exist -- perhaps because she destroyed it at some point.

I know Olga's diary stops abruptly on 15 March 1917, but there's one thing that's not clear to me: did she simply stop making entries after the revolution, or were the post-revolutionary pages removed from the diary?
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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #277 on: November 18, 2011, 04:22:33 PM »
From Greg King's book, it was suggested that she was "violated" on the train...

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #278 on: November 18, 2011, 11:07:14 PM »
From Greg King's book, it was suggested that she was "violated" on the train...
Why does than not surprise me? I guess that was  after the Rus suggestion.

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #279 on: November 19, 2011, 12:35:44 AM »
From Greg King's book, it was suggested that she was "violated" on the train...

What? I don't see the connection to the topic at hand. Also, which of Greg King's books are you referring to?
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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #280 on: November 19, 2011, 01:31:13 PM »
The one about the end of the Romanovs. It might be too painful a chapter for Olga to write in her diary.

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #281 on: November 19, 2011, 04:01:49 PM »
The one about the end of the Romanovs. It might be too painful a chapter for Olga to write in her diary.

Olga stopped updating her diary over a year before her transfer to Ekaterinbug on the Rus, so whatever happened on board the steamer -- if anything at all -- can't be a factor.
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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #282 on: November 19, 2011, 06:41:34 PM »
I know Olga's diary stops abruptly on 15 March 1917, but there's one thing that's not clear to me: did she simply stop making entries after the revolution, or were the post-revolutionary pages removed from the diary?

I don't read Russian, so I put one of the earlier links to 1917 diaries/letters into Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Femalkrest.narod.ru%2Ftxt%2Fdet17.htm) At the bottom of the page is Olga's last entry and then:

"The last entry, then ripped out pages of the diary."

Did Sisters of Mercy mention this?

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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #283 on: November 19, 2011, 07:41:28 PM »
I don't read Russian, so I put one of the earlier links to 1917 diaries/letters into Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Femalkrest.narod.ru%2Ftxt%2Fdet17.htm) At the bottom of the page is Olga's last entry and then:

"The last entry, then ripped out pages of the diary."

Did Sisters of Mercy mention this?

Yes, I just found it in the footnotes of RSM -- thanks for pointing it out!
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Re: 1913 Diary of Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaievna, transl. by Marina Petrov
« Reply #284 on: November 20, 2011, 12:36:29 PM »
Thanks for the mention.