Gonzalo de Borbón y Dampierre

[REMI]

King Alfonso was furious and did not recognise the union.

I am sorry. What you say is totally wrong. On the contrary, Alfonso XIII approved the marriage of Jaime to Emanuela. He was present to the ceremony on the 4th march 1935 at San Ignacio de Loyola's church  in Roma. He was very happy.The King titled don Jaime, duke of Segovia and maintained his preceding titles: infante de España and royal highness....He was godfather of his first grandson Alfonso, future duke of Cadix, the following year...

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[Yseult]

King Alfonso was furious and did not recognise the union.

I am sorry. What you say is totally wrong. On the contrary, Alfonso XIII approved the marriage of Jaime to Emanuela. He was present to the ceremony on the 4th march 1935 at San Ignacio de Loyola's church  in Roma. He was very happy.The King titled don Jaime, duke of Segovia and maintained his preceding titles: infante de España and royal highness....He was godfather of his first grandson Alfonso, future duke of Cadix, the following year...

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You´re right. Alfonso XIII was really happy with the marriage of Jaime and Emanuela, but I think it was because this morganic wedding of his son solved for ever any claim Jaime could make later about the spanish throne. This weekend I´m with a good cold and I´ve spent my time into the my house, so I´ve read again "Los diamantes de la corona" by Juan Balansó, and I was a bit surprised ´cause Balansó suggested the morganatic marriage of Alfonso prince of Asturias, older son of Alfonso XIII and Ena, with Edelmira Sampedro was the result of a romance "created" from the king and queen inner circles...Balansó includes a few words published from the british Herbert Vivian in his book "Kings in waiting", a few words that came from the inner circle of princess Beatrice of Battenberg, Ena´s mother: "The elder sons (Alfonso and Jaime) would be debarred by reasons of health". The question is Edelmira Sampedro appeared in the life of Alfonso and the prince was debarred. Later, Jaime was driven to rennounce his rights, but, to make sure he could not claim the rennounce was not a valid one, Alfonso XIII arranged the morganatic marriage with Emanuela´s mother.

[REMI]

This is also Juan Balanso's opinion expressed in "Los Borbones incomodos" .The marriage took place in 1935. The renunciation, two years before....

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[Eric_Lowe]

Indeed. Gomzalo's brother, Duke of Cadiz married Franco's daughter, but his son could not inherited the Spanish title of Infante and had to be French instead. Some blamed this on the bad feeling between Alfonso and Juan Carlos.

[Norbert]

thanks Remi for putting us straight. But it's all very rum ...imagine if the Duke of Windsor had gone on to have a family? I can't understand why the Dampierre's or the Ruspoli's were not regarded as a good match by 1930's

[YaBB_Jose]

A picture of him and of his first wife.
Click on Carmen Harto.

http://www.geneall.net/H/per_page.php?id=9286

[REMI]

Indeed. Gomzalo's brother, Duke of Cadiz married Franco's daughter, 

Duke of Cadiz married Carmen, Franco's grand daughter...

[REMI]

thanks Remi for putting us straight. But it's all very rum ...imagine if the Duke of Windsor had gone on to have a family? I can't understand why the Dampierre's or the Ruspoli's were not regarded as a good match by 1930's

In history, I never imagine, dear Norbert... We are in 2008, not in 1930. Everything has changed.  Nowadays, Prince of Asturias marries a Leticia Ortiz Rocasolano; the heir of Habsburgs, a Thyssen Bornemizsa; Carlo of Bourbon of Two Sicilies, a Camilla Crociani. These two last women are not aristocratic but very wealthy.... And I don't talk about Prince of Wales... In other times, he should have given up his rights to the throne of Great Britain in imitation of his Great-uncle ...

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[Norbert]

goodness Remi, lets not attack the few remaining monarchies left. However the Spencers and Albemarle's ( Camilla) are some of the highest aristocratic families in UK.
 I suppose I can see Alfonso agreeing to a marriage with any of the ladies you have listed which would been regarded as unequal, but Emanuela's mother was a Papal Princess . Didn't it occur to anyone that a society wedding would lead to problems over the status of any children

[tecklenburg]

Hi everyody

thanks to you, I've seen the picture of Carmen
Yseult it would be so nice when the duke of Anjou meets his cousin Stephanie Michelle. What a familiy picture it would be !
I read that she has 5 sons !
What's her job ? what about Mr McMasters ? Do they still live at West Palm Beach ?
I wonder what she & her sons look like ..Maybe one of them like their grandfather I think she missed her father & family according the some names che gave to her sons.

About royal marriages these last years...Don't forget the devise of Habsburgs : "Glorious Austria, you make no war, you marry well !"
these sentence can be still applied today...Nowadays interest for a dinasty is no more with other royals, but with glamour, money, knowledge in communication by marrying a journalist (Letizia Ortiz Rocasolano ) everything that could help to conquest people's hearts and stong life values to make the marriage stronger I believe.
Each time has to adapt to protect what's more important. 

[tecklenburg]

when I say no more relation with other royals I made a mistake...
It's good to keep relations with other royal families but nowaday It's no more through mariages
but with official meetings for weddings, burials, baptisms. Princes often are godparents to royal children of their neighbours. That's a nice tradition I belive
etc...

[Norbert]

She looks like Queen Isabella II ...a rather short and stocky personage. But I'm sure she has beauty in character

[Eric_Lowe]

A man not lucky in love I guess...

[Marc]

thanks Remi for putting us straight. But it's all very rum ...imagine if the Duke of Windsor had gone on to have a family? I can't understand why the Dampierre's or the Ruspoli's were not regarded as a good match by 1930's

In history, I never imagine, dear Norbert... We are in 2008, not in 1930. Everything has changed.  Nowadays, Prince of Asturias marries a Leticia Ortiz Rocasolano; the heir of Habsburgs, a Thyssen Bornemizsa; Carlo of Bourbon of Two Sicilies, a Camilla Crociani. These two last women are not aristocratic but very wealthy.... And I don't talk about Prince of Wales... In other times, he should have given up his rights to the throne of Great Britain in imitation of his Great-uncle ...

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Francesca Anna Dolores von Thyssen-Bornemizsa de Kászon et Impérfalva is born a baroness and is noble from both sides of her parents...from her mothers side(Fiona Frances Elaine Campbell-Walter) she has descended from Princess Mary of Scotland,daughter of King James II of Scotland and which is more interesting from the Habsburgs themselves...she is a descendant of Rudolf I von Habsburg,Holy Roman Emperor!So,by marriage she is reunited with the blood of her ancestors...

[Norbert]

 thank you. Actually Fiona is a Baronet's daughter and the head of her clan, Duke of Argyll was a guest at the marriage. But most of us can claim descent from James II of Scotland let alone Roman King Rudolf I .The Thyssen title is very modern...I think Francesca's brother is only the 3rd?