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« Reply #570 on: October 14, 2010, 08:03:05 AM »
I just came across a line Irene wrote to Ella when the family was about to visit her in Russia. Irene was obviously afraid of the affections of the Russian Grand Dukes :)

"Papa has told me that you wish me to go with him this Spring – nothing would have given me more pleasure but you see (I do not do for Russia, I would not feel happy there, even if I lived near you) if I went to Petersbourg I must see a lot of those young Cousins and it would be very disagreable for me“

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« Reply #571 on: October 14, 2010, 09:06:28 AM »
I just came across a line Irene wrote to Ella when the family was about to visit her in Russia. Irene was obviously afraid of the affections of the Russian Grand Dukes :)
"Papa has told me that you wish me to go with him this Spring – nothing would have given me more pleasure but you see (I do not do for Russia, I would not feel happy there, even if I lived near you) if I went to Petersbourg I must see a lot of those young Cousins and it would be very disagreable for me“
Do you know when, in which year, she wrote this line? I can't find the details right now, but Irène did travel to Russia with her father at least once, while Alix remained in Darmstadt.
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"
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"Ludwig IV, Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine - Gebhard Zernin's Festschrift"

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Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants, Part 2
« Reply #572 on: October 14, 2010, 09:07:18 AM »
Do you know what year that was Thomas? It would have to be after 1884 so I wonder if it was when Irene already had feelings for Henry which would make it more uncomfortable for her. Plus, had she dealt with GD Michael (Miche-Miche) yet?
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« Reply #573 on: October 14, 2010, 09:17:04 AM »
It was written in the last days of January 1886 from Ella to her father. Irene is just quoted - that 86 visit (which is proved to have indeed happend by a letter from Ludwig IV. to his secretary Dr. Becker) is generally rather unknown I think.
Prince Heinrich was not mentioned in that quote but another letter indicates that one of the Russian "cousins" intended to propose to her

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« Reply #574 on: October 14, 2010, 10:07:41 AM »
It was written in the last days of January 1886 from Ella to her father. Irene is just quoted - that 86 visit (which is proved to have indeed happend by a letter from Ludwig IV. to his secretary Dr. Becker) is generally rather unknown I think.
Prince Heinrich was not mentioned in that quote but another letter indicates that one of the Russian "cousins" intended to propose to her
Thank you. The time frame that you mentioned has helped me to find some info I found some time ago in a German newspaper. On 23 february 1886, the Darmstaedter Tagblatt   wrote that Grand Duke Ludwig IV, Princess Irene, Baroness Wilhelmine von Senarclens-Grancy and Fluegeladjutant   Wernher had left for Berlin on the preceding Friday evening and that they had travelled on to St. Petersburg at 23h25 on Saturday evening. Alix apparently did not accompany them.
"The Correspondence of the Empress Alexandra of Russia with Ernst Ludwig and Eleonore, Grand Duke and Duchess of Hesse. 1878-1916"
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"Ludwig IV, Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine - Gebhard Zernin's Festschrift"

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« Reply #575 on: October 14, 2010, 10:15:58 AM »
Ella explicitly wanted her father to bring "Major Wernher" - for she and her husband liked him particularly. It is not clear whether Alix went too - in another letter Ella asks about it and says that there is plenty of room as well as "heaps of furs" so as to protect "Alicky" from catching a cold. But it seems that she indeed stayed at home

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« Reply #576 on: October 14, 2010, 11:28:36 AM »
Maybe Ludwig already sensed that Ella was already trying to influence Alicky in some way. Didn't know if he had any inkling of Alicky's friendship with Nicky.

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« Reply #577 on: October 28, 2010, 12:56:25 PM »
Two  similar portraits of Irene, Heinrich and the rest of the Prussian royal family by Anton  Von Werner  . Credit goes to the page in the mark

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« Reply #578 on: October 28, 2010, 12:59:08 PM »
I remember seeing the 1889 portrait in a book. But like this it is very small.  :(

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Re: Prince Henry (Heinrich) of Prussia, his family and descendants, Part 2
« Reply #579 on: October 28, 2010, 01:02:15 PM »
Actually, (as always) the forum resized the image. I ve told you to use the option "open image in a new windos/tab" to see it bigger

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« Reply #580 on: October 28, 2010, 01:11:12 PM »
Thanks ! It is wonderful !!! :) :) :) I can see Ernie in the back & Alicky in the middle. I wonder is this painting still exist ? If so it would take my breath away !!! THANKS !!!

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« Reply #581 on: October 28, 2010, 03:59:38 PM »
The black and white could not be 1889 since Fritz died in 1888, and I am sure that is he standing on the right.

As much as he was loved, I doubt it was sufficient to raise him from the dead.
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« Reply #582 on: October 28, 2010, 04:23:45 PM »
The black and white could not be 1889 since Fritz died in 1888, and I am sure that is he standing on the right.

As much as he was loved, I doubt it was sufficient to raise him from the dead.

If Fritz was dead, so was his father too, certainly! And the subject of the painting is some jubilee or anniversary of Wilhelm I, isn't it?

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« Reply #583 on: October 28, 2010, 04:29:19 PM »
I think it might be to commemorate the wedding (when both were alive).