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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #75 on: December 01, 2004, 07:20:17 PM »
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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #76 on: December 02, 2004, 05:25:17 PM »
Thank you for the referral, elizaveta. A very interesting article and an interesting theory....but given the preponderance of evidence for the existence of hemophilia on the maternal side via Queen Victoria, it would take a lifetime or two of research to give the theory really solid support.

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #77 on: December 03, 2004, 06:30:28 AM »
From Alexandra's DNA, did they discover the faulty gene that causes haemophilia? (I don't know if this is even detectable from the remains . . .)

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #78 on: December 03, 2004, 11:22:57 AM »
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From Alexandra's DNA, did they discover the faulty gene that causes haemophilia? (I don't know if this is even detectable from the remains . . .)

Alice,

I believe that this can be done, but the hemophilia gene has not been tested for officially in those remains, as far as I know. It would have been interesting to see what they would have come up with...

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #79 on: December 03, 2004, 12:08:36 PM »
To be honest I really didn't think that there were any viable possible health conditions which may have been misdiagnosed as Hemophilia other than Hemophilia! Various types of Blood diseases are not my personal point of expertize (sp) so I really don't have much to contribute to this discussion.
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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #80 on: December 03, 2004, 12:24:59 PM »
In his article Kendrick speculates that it may have been hemolytic anemia misdiagnosed as hemophilia in all  QV's descendants who were thought to have hemophilia  ??? And that in Alexei's case it was that combined with a virus that caused all these pesky problems he was having throughout the years...

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #81 on: December 03, 2004, 12:29:32 PM »
In 1803, a Philadelphia physician named Dr. John Conrad Otto wrote an account of "a hemorrhagic disposition existing in certain families". He recognized that the condition was hereditary and affected males. He traced the disease back through three generations to a woman who had settled near Plymouth, New Hampshire, in 1720.


The word "hemophilia" first appears in a description of the condition written by Hopff at the University of Zurich in 1828.Hemophilia has often been called "The Royal Disease". This is because Queen Victoria, Queen of England from 1837 to 1901, was a carrier. Her eighth child, Leopold, had hemophilia and suffered from frequent hemorrhages. These were reported in the British Medical Journal in 1868. Leopold died of a brain hemorrhage at the age of 31, but not before he had children. His daughter, Alice, was a carrier and her son, Viscount Trematon, also died of a brain hemorrhage in 1928.

Even more important to history was the existence of hemophilia in the Russian Royal family. Two of Queen Victoria's daughters, Alice and Beatrice, were also carriers of hemophilia. They passed the disease on to the Spanish, German and Russian Royal families.

see: http://www.hemophilia.ca/en/2.1.2.php

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2004, 09:36:26 AM »
Here are a few more links to websites with information about the hemophilia connection to the royal families of Europe...

http://iaia.essortment.com/royalhemophil_ravx.htm

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~rjh9u/roylhema.html

http://histclo.hispeed.com/royal/eng/v1/ukv1h.htm

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2004, 09:52:12 PM »
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This is certainly another very interesting topic to speculate about. Thanks, Belochka, for your elaborations on the subject.
I just took a look at the Kendrick website, and although I admit I didn't have the patience to read through all of the pages (my computer is kind of slow), I got the gist of it.
I try to stay open minded and am open to the fact that there may be a slight chance that Alexei may have been misdiagnosed, although considering all the other factors it is very unlikely. The fact that Alexei's body was never found also somewhat may play into this as far as some people are concerned.
But what else do we know about this Canadian Alexei? It seems that he just came out of nowhere. It may say on the website, but like I said I didn't get to read the whole thing, but did anyone else? how does he say he survived the 1918 massacre? Or is this one of the claimants who says that there was no massacre and that the whole family survived? Also, I looked at the photos, and while of course many years passed in between, those ears really give him away! Alexei did not have such big floppy ears. This of course is not very scientific, but please take a look, they are so obviously different ears. This guy's ears are huge and round while Alexei's are normally shaped and of normal size. At least that's the way they look to me. Maybe someone else may think differently. ;)  Hey, I know, maybe this guy is really Prince Charles!! Kidding  ;)


  



Needless to say, Tammet's face is definitely not that of a Romanov.  Its shape and complexion do not remind me of Nicholas' face, nor of Alexandra's -- and the handsome little son definitely took after his mother.  Of all the men who have ever pretended that they were the Tsarevich, none of their looks ever hearkened back to the boy's much at all, and probably only Nikolai Chabotarev even had half as sweet a face as Alexei's.

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2004, 11:47:20 PM »
The only thing which could be said about Photo # 2 and Photo # 3, is that there is a strong correlation between them.

How interesting that the author fails to include any more youthful images of Heino Tammet. Hmm  ::)



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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2004, 12:01:33 AM »
Thanks for links everyone.

What I am interested in finding out is whether there have been any other authors who have published any statements claiming that Alexei did not suffer from Hemophilia?

Was the Canadian journalist the only person who has?


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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2004, 10:47:15 AM »
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...only Nikolai Chabotarev even had half as sweet a face as Alexei's.

Pravoslavnaya , who is Nikolai Chabotarev? I never heard of him.

Belochka, I too am curious to find out whether anyone else ever questioned the hemophilia diagnosis in QV's descendants, or is John Kendrick the first one to do that? Does Mr Kendrick have any medical background?

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2004, 11:13:26 AM »
Kendrick has no medical background at all. He taught himself to support the claims of his "alexei". He is the only person who has ever questioned the hemophilia claim in the Victorian line, and so far, no peer review journal has ever published a paper by an expert in the field who has shown real evidence to support his claims. Kendrick writes letters to the journals of his claims, but no evaluation to support the claims has occured

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2004, 12:17:34 PM »
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Kendrick has no medical background at all. He taught himself to support the claims of his "alexei". He is the only person who has ever questioned the hemophilia claim in the Victorian line, and so far, no peer review journal has ever published a paper by an expert in the field who has shown real evidence to support his claims. Kendrick writes letters to the journals of his claims, but no evaluation to support the claims has occured

In which case what makes Mr Kendrick imagine that he is qualified to raise these "misdiagnosis" claims? I wonder if he has perhaps spoken to a hemophilia specialist while writing his article? I looked at his references and it looks like he got a lot of his information off some websites, but has not actually consulted with any specialists in the field...
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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2004, 09:08:40 PM »
I wonder whether Kendrick's flash of ingenuity came from Radzinsky's London statement, where he spouted that "Maybe Alexei did not have hemophilia. At the time medicine was not so advanced." So much medical wisdom coming from a playwright!

It is indeed fascinating that no Hematologist appears to have stepped forward to refute this nonsense. Perhaps this mystery can easily be explained by the fact that few scientists read the American J. Hematology from cover to cover. Due to time constraints, most would only consult articles which are specific to their own research.  The Historic Perspective which is just a general curiosity inclusion in the J. must have flowed past them all into its own historic obscurty?  ;D  
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