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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #150 on: June 22, 2005, 09:20:26 PM »
If they were accessible, *that* would be a very helpful document to look at!

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« Reply #151 on: June 22, 2005, 11:32:56 PM »
I don't think we know for sure such documents exist, do we?
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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #152 on: June 23, 2005, 11:55:49 AM »
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Apparently some of his medical journals were preserved and are in the Russian State Archives, we have seen a photocopy of one complete booklet.

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Over on the thread of Dr. Botkin I asked if any of the medical journals hold anything about Alexei.

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« Reply #153 on: June 23, 2005, 05:08:49 PM »
It would be great if we could get our hands on a copy. I'm just not sure how to do that.
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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #154 on: June 25, 2005, 03:30:01 PM »
Here is Richard's reply on the another thread:

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The one copy we have seen does not appear (at least to me) to refer to the Tsarevitch.
I can't say about the others that may be there. After all, as Chief Physician, he brought in Dr. Derevenko, a specialist in hematology.

I would be more interested in having them read by scientists who could tell if he were observing symptoms in the Empress's  conditiions (from time to time) that have since been identified today with Porfiria; and which may have afflicted A. as well.

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« Reply #155 on: June 25, 2005, 03:44:22 PM »
here are some references I found.

"I had a long talk with Dr. Derevenki. He told me that the Heir was prey to haemophilia, a hereditary disease which in  certain families is transmitted from generation to generation by the women to their male chilrdern. Only males are affected. He told me that the slightest wound might cause the boy's death, for the blood of a bleeder had not the power of coagulating like that of a normal individual. Futher, the tissue of the arteries and veins is so frail that ane blow or shock may rupture the blood-vessel and bring on a fatial haemmorrhage."
Gillard: "Thirteen years at the Russian Court." pp. 37 & 38.


"The Czarevitch was in the schoolroom standing on a chair, when he slipped, and in falling hit his right knee against the corner of some piece of furniture. The next day he could not walk. On the day after the subcutaneous haemmorage had progressed, and the swelling which had formed below the knee rapidly spread down the elg. The skin, which wa greatly distended, had hardened under the force of the extravasated blood, which pressed on the nerves of the leg and thus caused shooting pains, which grew worse every hour.
".....Dr. Derevenko was anxious, as the haemorrhage had not been stopped and his temperature was rising. The inflammation had spread further and the pain was even worse than the day before." Golliard page 43.


"....As we were going on board the Czarevitch jumped at the wrong moment, and hs ankle caught the bottom of the ladder leading to the deck. At first I though this accident would have no ill effects, but towards the evening the boy began to be in pain and his suffering rapidly increased. Everything pointed to a serious crisis. Gilliard p. 97.

I'm sure those aren't all of Gilliard's references, but are some of the highlights. He does describe some syptoms. Will post more as I find more.
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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #156 on: June 26, 2005, 10:33:41 AM »
AN seemed so healthy...when not in the midst of a haemophilia incident....or the recovery afterwards...I wonder if his poor,distracted parents were ever able to relax their worry and anxiety?...Towards the last....in the Urals...he seemed so ill....

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« Reply #157 on: June 26, 2005, 11:44:22 AM »
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AN seemed so healthy...when not in the midst of a haemophilia incident....or the recovery afterwards...I wonder if his poor,distracted parents were ever able to relax their worry and anxiety?...Towards the last....in the Urals...he seemed so ill....


No chronic illness escapes very real or even imagined anxiety. It just makes it worse.

Towards the end the day to day stress the family was living under had to hinder healing.
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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #158 on: June 26, 2005, 06:48:28 PM »
From what I know, I doubt it. It seemed they were always nervous about "the next fall" etc. They took so many precautions to assure his safety. Yet, while he was with his father during the War, he did very well I think.
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« Reply #159 on: June 26, 2005, 07:39:20 PM »
What an interesting point to bring up about Mogilev!  Thanks, Lexi!  I can imagine that the atmosphere anywhere around a very loving but overprotective mother might have been more stifling... Alexei's world had once been described in terms of female domination and cushioning.  What would it have been like hearing 'Don't do that, Sunbeam!'  'Be careful, Alexei!' 'Are you all right, Baby?' often enough?

While there were still bleeding episodes at the Stavka, some of which Alexei's diary and Nicholas' letters home mention in passing, there is no doubt that the lack of hysteria surrounding the boy must have done him a world of good.

Any rumors that Rasputin gave Alexei doses of aspirin or herbal infusions (possibly buffalo grass, which contains a form of coumadin) that brought on his bleeding episodes were strengthened by the fact that the Tsarevich thrived at Stavka, and later appeared to be so well at Tobolsk:  both places where Rasputin never was.

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #160 on: June 26, 2005, 07:41:57 PM »
I am still confused as to the facts; how could a secret exist after the newspaper article? And when did it become public knowledge, before or after the massacre? I guess I am basically asking the same question as the first ppost from HollyMI, but want to know what the impact of the news article was.

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #161 on: June 26, 2005, 08:08:43 PM »
Lisa,
I never knew about the rumors of the herbal infusions. Where did you get that? That is very interesting.
I think Alexei would have done a lot better without such a smothering mother. I think we have evidence of that.
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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #162 on: July 06, 2005, 11:13:05 AM »
I know this is an odd question, but what would happen if Alexei was bit by a mosquito?  Was he even that fragile?  I've read he could have an attack even if he got a little scrape, so what would happen if he was bit by a bug? ???  

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Re: Alexei and Hemophilia
« Reply #163 on: July 06, 2005, 11:19:50 AM »
Interesting question...odd...but interesting.....

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« Reply #164 on: July 06, 2005, 11:33:01 AM »
Did they have bug spray back then?  Or some lotion or something to keep them off maybe? :-/