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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2009, 05:38:48 PM »
In the original photo, Queen Mary is walking next to Maud and it also shows GV walking with Victoria.
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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2009, 04:26:58 PM »
Yes that is the original photo! I only say it from the Topphoto archive and too bad it wasn't that clear. I will dig it up agian and post it here very soon.

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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2009, 04:28:32 PM »
Thank you RN, would love to see it!!! :)

It would be fascinating to know what members of the family attended QA's funeral.
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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2009, 07:52:14 PM »
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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2009, 02:03:40 PM »
Yes that's the one gdella, thank you fore posting the picture. You're always one step ahead of me! ;) If you watch closely you can see Queen Mary in the same position as in the retouched picture I have posted before. Except that Queen Maud is walking next to her in procession and her husband king George V and his sister Toria are walking infront. I believe Louise Fife is walking behind May and Maud, because I it is logical that all three daughters would follow the coffin of their late mother Queen Alexandra. It could be one of George and Mary's sons (Albert or Edward?) that can be seen at the far left.

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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2009, 02:14:50 PM »
I studied this photo yesterday too, RN.  I think you are right.  That must be Louise behind and almost obscured by May.  She would have been with the rest of the family and it looks about right for her height.  I'm still wondering about the man on the left though.  Is he a bit heavily built to be David or Bertie?  And he doesn't look to me like Harry either?  It's a very moving photo anyway though. 

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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2009, 02:47:45 PM »
It is a very moving photo indeed, Grace. Yes it must be Louise Fife behind May, can't imagine her as the oldest daughter wondering at the back of the funeral procession (she must have been walking together with the other close relatives of Queen Alexandra.). About the man at the left, it must be one of George and Mary's sons or it could be Maud's son crownprince Olav of Norway. Below are some pictures of George V, his sons and Olav of Norway walking in de funeral procession of their beloved mother and grandmother Queen Alexandra. So we can have a better look at them.



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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2009, 03:44:09 PM »
It is a very moving photo indeed, Grace. Yes it must be Louise Fife behind May, can't imagine her as the oldest daughter wondering at the back of the funeral procession (she must have been walking together with the other close relatives of Queen Alexandra.). About the man at the left, it must be one of George and Mary's sons or it could be Maud's son crownprince Olav of Norway.

Louise isn't listed as being in the processions either at Sandringham or later in London according to detailed accounts in the Times. The woman could be Marie of Greece who was in both processions. At Sandringham, the princes listed were David, Bertie and Henry.
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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #69 on: January 31, 2009, 11:45:45 AM »
It is a very moving photo indeed, Grace. Yes it must be Louise Fife behind May, can't imagine her as the oldest daughter wondering at the back of the funeral procession (she must have been walking together with the other close relatives of Queen Alexandra.). About the man at the left, it must be one of George and Mary's sons or it could be Maud's son crownprince Olav of Norway.

Louise isn't listed as being in the processions either at Sandringham or later in London according to detailed accounts in the Times. The woman could be Marie of Greece who was in both processions. At Sandringham, the princes listed were David, Bertie and Henry.


Mmm I really think that is strange, why wasn't Louise listed in one of the processions, she is the oldest daughter and that makes her a very close relative. I can't imagine that a child would miss the funeral of her mother. That's almost unbelievable, it is one of the most dramatic parts of you're life, loosing you're parents. She must have been their somewhere, are was their a reason fore her absence? Could it be that Louise was to alienated from her royal brother and sisters? That she visited the grave of her mother a other day than the official funeral day in Sandringham. I can't imagine this, but I'm just looking fore a explanation. I always thought Louise was a bit of an outsider in the British Royal Family, it looked like she choose her own path in life. Toria was close to Maud and her brother George, Maud was rather close to her sister in law Mary. And I just never read anything like that about Louise being particular close to one of her sisters, brother or in laws. It could be the were in their younger years as children and teenagers, but after that it looked like Louise took some distance.
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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2009, 02:13:50 PM »
I actually read 'Edward VII's children' by John Van Der Kiste and found it interesting as it gave info on Louise and the others. You might find this a helpful read.

I once saw a photograph of Queen Mary dated 1912 which features her in a wheel chair...does anyone know why this was? When I saw it I re-read JPH's biography and found nothing to explain it. Was she ill at this point??

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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2009, 06:34:14 AM »
Thanks for the piccies once again RN...always so generous!!! At the time of the death of her mother, Louise was certainly not 'officially' indisposed as far as I can tell, nor afterwards, during the period up to the funeral, thus her 'apparent' absence does raise questions. I note that in several photographs of Georgie and the male mourners , the gentleman on George's left looks very like Olaf, but according to GDElla's sources, he, Olaf that is, was not listed as being part of the group, which makes me wonder even more. Perhaps the gentleman in question next to Georgie, who looks very like Olaf was in fact someone else entirely, or perhaps, the press just didn't bother to report fully at the time. I guess the same oversight 'could' have occurred in Louise's case too, though I find that very hard to believe!

 I know she had been keeping a remarkably low profile for years to this date of 1925, but even so, it would be extraordinary to think that she was not at Sandringham or the funeral, than for any other reason than that she simply was not able to be there. If that was in fact the case....as we have yet to confirm!!!!

On another note, I have read in several different accounts, that Louise was not at Sandringham when Georgie, May, Toria and Maud went through Mother dear's jewels! This was obviously some time later, even Magpie May with her love of baubles would have restrained herself until after Christmas I am sure. Therefore, perhaps Louise really did not care to do 'eeny meeny miney mo' with her siblings and May over all those yummy things in Mother dear's 'Starter home in the Home Counties' sized jewelry closet , but she could have done it perhaps to get a few choice bits and bobs for her girls nonetheless. But from what I can understand, as is generally recorded, Louise did not go to Sandringham after her mother's death. That, I would love to clarify too, as it would make no sense unless once again, she was simply 'unable' to be there or there was some other more complicated dynamic at work!

Oooops......this should all be on Louise's thread really...sorrry! Very naughty of me to get carried away on the dear majestic magpie's thread! But someone mentioned Louise and I just couldn't help myself!!!!

Double oooops...I have used so many colloquialisms here, sorry for that too, but I shan't edit them out as this is May's thread,and she seems to brings out the naughty little rebel in me for some reason!
 

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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #72 on: February 01, 2009, 10:57:49 AM »
I think there was a day or two between the 'church' picture and the latter processions. On the 2nd set of photos, that is indeed CP Olav. I hadn't mentioned him because we were trying to ID the prince in the earlier photo.
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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #73 on: February 01, 2009, 01:20:53 PM »
Thanks for the piccies once again RN...always so generous!!! At the time of the death of her mother, Louise was certainly not 'officially' indisposed as far as I can tell, nor afterwards, during the period up to the funeral, thus her 'apparent' absence does raise questions. I note that in several photographs of Georgie and the male mourners , the gentleman on George's left looks very like Olaf, but according to GDElla's sources, he, Olaf that is, was not listed as being part of the group, which makes me wonder even more. Perhaps the gentleman in question next to Georgie, who looks very like Olaf was in fact someone else entirely, or perhaps, the press just didn't bother to report fully at the time. I guess the same oversight 'could' have occurred in Louise's case too, though I find that very hard to believe!

 I know she had been keeping a remarkably low profile for years to this date of 1925, but even so, it would be extraordinary to think that she was not at Sandringham or the funeral, than for any other reason than that she simply was not able to be there. If that was in fact the case....as we have yet to confirm!!!!

On another note, I have read in several different accounts, that Louise was not at Sandringham when Georgie, May, Toria and Maud went through Mother dear's jewels! This was obviously some time later, even Magpie May with her love of baubles would have restrained herself until after Christmas I am sure. Therefore, perhaps Louise really did not care to do 'eeny meeny miney mo' with her siblings and May over all those yummy things in Mother dear's 'Starter home in the Home Counties' sized jewelry closet , but she could have done it perhaps to get a few choice bits and bobs for her girls nonetheless. But from what I can understand, as is generally recorded, Louise did not go to Sandringham after her mother's death. That, I would love to clarify too, as it would make no sense unless once again, she was simply 'unable' to be there or there was some other more complicated dynamic at work!

Oooops......this should all be on Louise's thread really...sorrry! Very naughty of me to get carried away on the dear majestic magpie's thread! But someone mentioned Louise and I just couldn't help myself!!!!

Double oooops...I have used so many colloquialisms here, sorry for that too, but I shan't edit them out as this is May's thread,and she seems to brings out the naughty little rebel in me for some reason!
 
For whatever reason Louise was not present when her mothers jewels were divided..she seems to have received her fair share...perhaps she had already discussed with her sisters about items she would like....

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Re: Queen Mary- part 4
« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2009, 05:09:49 PM »
Thank you for confirming Ella re: Olaf in the piccies....I think I sort of misunderstood somewhere along the way!

Ashdean, I will respond to your comments on Louise's thread.