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No, I don't think so.  Olga's birthdate of November 15th, 1895 is actually her birthdate according to the Western , that is, Gregorian calendar  of the time. The date on the calendar at her birth in Tsarskoe Selo would have been November 3rd, 1895. This would have been according to the then and there prevailing Julian calendar. The differential between the two calendars became thirteeen days at the start of the 20th century, hence November 3/16. This differential was in effect frozen in place when the Bolsheviks by decree adopted the Western calendar in February, 1918.

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The difference between the Julian (old style/eastern) and Gregorian (new style/western) calendars won't increase to 14 days until 16 February 2100.
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So for all of 20th C and now, it is actually 16th Nov??

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Correct. According to the Western calendar, Olga's birthday should be observed on 16 November.
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LOL, but everyone still works on 3rd/15th...

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Re: Anniversary of Olga's birthday -- post tributes & memorial messages here!
« Reply #155 on: November 16, 2008, 08:56:31 AM »
With a day late, I wish a happy 113th birthday to the delightful Olga.

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Re: Anniversary of Olga's birthday -- post tributes & memorial messages here!
« Reply #156 on: November 16, 2008, 09:12:41 AM »


I hope you have had a good day with all you love, my girl. :)
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Re: Anniversary of Olga's birthday -- post tributes & memorial messages here!
« Reply #157 on: November 16, 2008, 09:58:09 AM »
Happy Birthday Olga!
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Re: Anniversary of Olga's birthday -- post tributes & memorial messages here!
« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2008, 10:01:04 AM »
With a day late, I wish a happy 113th birthday to the delightful Olga.

You're right on time! In the 19th century when Olga was born, her birthday was on 3/15 November, but after 1900 the difference between the two calendars grew to 13 days, so it became 3/16 November.
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Re: Anniversary of Olga's birthday -- post tributes & memorial messages here!
« Reply #159 on: November 16, 2008, 10:12:41 AM »
Happy birthday Olga!

Sarushka> I have always thought that after 1900, Olga's birthday became on 15th of November...and that it haven't been changed ...

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Re: Anniversary of Olga's birthday -- post tributes & memorial messages here!
« Reply #160 on: November 16, 2008, 10:35:16 AM »
Sarushka> I have always thought that after 1900, Olga's birthday became on 15th of November...and that it haven't been changed ...

Nope. The two calendars have been slowly growing apart over the centuries. In 2100, Olga's birthday will shift to 3/17 November.

Here's a dual calendar for 1895: http://5ko.free.fr/en/jul.php?y=1895. Old Style dates are on the top row of each month, and corresponding New Style on the bottom. Here's 1900, the first year of the change, and this year's calendar as well.

And here's a chart I lifted from Wikipedia that shows the number of days between the calendars throughout the centuries:

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Re: Anniversary of Olga's birthday -- post tributes & memorial messages here!
« Reply #161 on: November 16, 2008, 11:43:42 AM »
Thanks for all those links, it helps  :)
So, according to the calendar of this year (you showed me), Marie_Catherine isn't late and Olga's birthday is today... since the Julian Calendar doesn't change ... Am I right ?

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« Reply #162 on: November 16, 2008, 01:14:26 PM »
So, according to the calendar of this year (you showed me), Marie_Catherine isn't late and Olga's birthday is today... since the Julian Calendar doesn't change ... Am I right ?

Exactly right.
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Re: Anniversary of Olga's birthday -- post tributes & memorial messages here!
« Reply #163 on: November 16, 2008, 02:15:36 PM »
Oh, Happy Birthday, Olga!  ;) I love to see she smiling. I don't know if this has been taken in Peterhof or Crimea. Most probbaly Crimea.

I think Russia changed calendar in 1918/9 - from Julian to Gregorian..? Or only the Church use Julian? Correct me if I am wrong.
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« Reply #164 on: November 16, 2008, 05:39:12 PM »
Happy Birthday Olga!

As far as I know Russia began to use the Gregorian calendar in 1918.  I'm not sure about the Church, though.