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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2006, 01:19:43 PM »
Otdeltnyy park  Building near the dacha Of yusupov in the park after the pond


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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2006, 01:28:36 PM »
Otdeltnyy park  Building near the dacha Of yusupov in the park after the pond : detail


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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2006, 01:34:28 PM »
Otdeltnyy park  Building near the dacha Of yusupov in the park after the pond : detail


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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2006, 01:36:27 PM »
Pavlovian highway house [ch8470] 12 (cafe- bar torch) (former house of gardner with princess z.I.Yusupov's dacha)


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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2006, 01:38:33 PM »
Pavlovian highway house [ch8470] 12 (former teenage club torch) (former house of gardner with princess z.I.Yusupov's dacha)


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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2006, 03:55:12 AM »
As far as I can see nothing has been done for the restoration ,how could it be possible?

wHAT IS DOING THE authorities?


Perhaps the others users of the website would be shocked nonetheless ,in my view these buildings should be give back to olds aristocrats in exchange of the promise to restore it.It is a crime to do nothing.By attracting old aristocrats they could develop tourism...

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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2006, 11:58:06 AM »
RUSSIA
Perspectives on privatisation Icomos2005 O-Z.XP 22.03.2005 11:51 Uhr Seite 204
Oligarchs line up to buy listed buildings…The governor of St Petersburg has proposed legislation that will allow the sale of palaces for half their estimated value – but to be restored The St Petersburg city government has announced plans to privatise
more than 2,000 listed buildings over the next few years,including several dozen important Czarist-era palaces. Several of
Russia’s oil barons have already expressed strong interest in acquiring grand historic residences in the city.
While the city currently rents [out], but does not sell, listed buildings to private companies, St Petersburg governor, Valentina
Matvienko, said last month that privatisation is the only way to save the city’s dilapidated historical centre from total ruin
because the government does not have the funds to maintain these buildings properly.
“Businessmen say that if they owned the palaces they rent, they wouldn’t be afraid to invest in renovation,” said Ms Matvienko.
“We need to be careful that the city’s architectural style isn’t altered but, at the same time, we can’t allow our architectural heritage
to crumble.” It is not yet known whether the proposed new law would allow foreigners to purchase property in St Petersburg, a subject on which Ms Matvienko will not be drawn. Such a liberalisation would certainly provoke a strong response from Russian
nationalists. Ms Matvienko said that a list of the first group of buildings to be sold is still being compiled, but local media have reported that these include the suburban Znamenka Palace near Peterhof, the Kochubei Palace in Pushkin, and the Sheremetev Palace in the city centre, part of which houses a branch of the State Museum of Theatre and Music.
Ms Matvienko, who is close to President Putin, has asked city legislators to prepare a law allowing for the privatisation of listed
buildings. It is expected to be ready later this year. he has also said that she will ask the State Duma, which is
currently controlled by the pro-Putin political party, United Russia,to amend a 2001 federal law forbidding the privatisation of
federally protected sites.

According to preliminary plans, the city plans to sell listed uildings for half their market value, but the new owners must
agree to undertake full renovation in consultation with specialists from St Petersburg’s Landmarks Preservation Committee
(KGIOP). The new owners of the listed buildings must also provide public access several times a year.
“This will be ownership with serious obligations and under strict State control,” said Vera Dementieva, head of the KGIOP:
“Owners will be required to repair listed buildings, or they will forfeit ownership”.
Privatisation may have already begun. Last month the local media revealed that Russia’s second richest man, oil magnate
Roman Abramovich, who currently resides in England, is spending $5 to $10 million on renovations to the Tenishev Palace on the
English Embankment, next to the State Historic Archives, which President Putin has taken over for his own administration.
A few hundred metres down the embankment, Russia’s largest oil company, Lukoil, is preparing to purchase the Baron Stieglitz
Palace, on which it currently has a 49-year lease. The company said it will spend $30 million on renovating its palace and gardens
over the next two years.
John Varoli
The Art Newspaper © 2002
9 June 2004
Heritage at Risk 2004/2005 Russia 205
Icomos2005 O-Z.XP 22.03.2005 11:51 Uhr Seite 205

An article about privatisation ,personaly I prefer a restored Youssoupov palace in the hands of privat persons and it will be (I n my view better if it would be better in Youssoupov's family hands
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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2006, 12:13:39 PM »
[size=10]Dear Vassili,

I am sitting here in utter shock ! I agree with you, these beautiful properties should be given back to the families for complete restoration. How sad first that the government, claims it has no monies to restore, and secondly to bar the [reallll] owners access, if not award them back their properties to restore. Offering this to the families would indeed create a more positive supportive interface not just on this level, but many other levels. It would also surely increase more people to come and visit as tourists, more than they are at present. I understand tourism has dropped off dramatically in Russia.

I think those in power on this issue should be re-thinking all of this once more.
Thank you Vassili for sharing with us this latest update.

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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2006, 03:38:33 PM »
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An article about privatisation ,personaly I prefer a restored Youssoupov palace in the hands of privat persons and it will be (I n my view better if it would be better in Youssoupov's family hands
Vassili



in an ideal world that would be wonderful --- but in a realistic sense, many (if not most) of the remaining "heirs" don't have the money to restore much of anything.   i doubt if  mrs. Sfiris (i hoped i spelled her name correctly), the "heir" of the Yusupov family could afford to restore the pavillion.   

i wish she could.   but, i believe she's made peace with the fact that people can't really miss what they've never really had, y'know?     she's visited the family's palace on the Moïka (and even donated a painting of herself to the museum, which hangs (i think) in feliks senior's former bedroom.)
« Last Edit: August 01, 2006, 03:49:46 PM by brnbg aka: liljones1968 »
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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2006, 07:35:07 PM »
LIlijones,

Perhaps am i too idealistic (probably,am I dreaming of a democratic,cultural strong and tender Russia where right woud be the law...)

You could not denied the fact that  reconnizing some right to heirs would paved the way to democracy in Russia...if only they realize of severals advanges,benefits....
Mrs Sfiris has asked for the reurn of some "family properties",Vera Obolensky said in her case that only an appartement would be great...I can't understand in:"In the kingdom of blindness ,the one eye man is the king"....no possibility to him who don't wan't to give the mean...

In Poland and all the ex sovietic countries entered in the Eropean Union the return of proerties takes problem but could be resolved...in view of Matvienko's list it is not as idealistic as it coud seem,all won't be upside down (in Poland they give also some earths,with some forest exiled aristocrats may restore their palace...there is always a way when there is a will...given the fact this buildings needs of real invest Russian governement should act,proving in this way that he could attract private strangers funds and population...

In the hope that Russia will change,Vassili

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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2007, 12:45:44 PM »
For sure,marvellous pictures but does some know how is the state of the interiors?

The pavilion is great,it is fabulous to see it in this shape.

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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2007, 04:45:42 AM »
The nostalgic glass had posted those shots of the palaces before restoration...funny changes!

http://nostalgicglass.org/display.php?pn=12#





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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #42 on: May 07, 2007, 02:17:25 PM »

here's the link to the article the fotos came from:

http://aprioru.narod.ru/photograf/pushkin/osobnyak-usupovoy-pushkin-foto.html


i had sent the text through a translator but was still only able to understand a small part of what it said.
maybe someone who reads russian could provide a synopsis of what it says? 

"when i die, i hope i go like my grandfather --
peacefully in my sleep; not screaming & in terror,
like the passengers in his car."

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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2007, 08:31:53 AM »
Thanks Lilijones for the link,

I tried to understand the text despite my russian lessons, it is still too hard to understand for me..sorry!

I did not think the park was so huge...could someone tell me what are those buildings and what was their aims?








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Re: Dacha of the Yusupovs, at Tsarskoe Selo
« Reply #44 on: June 25, 2007, 02:10:56 PM »
Great photos as usual brnbg aka: liljones1968 and Vassili_Vorontsoff!

The Pavilion looks really great, they are doing great work.

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