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« Reply #105 on: January 24, 2006, 12:36:49 AM »
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I think that if you want to talk about weight, you mustn't forget some important things. The first is food. It's not only quantity that's important, but quality, too.

We all know that we, today, eat too much junk food. But we also happen to eat much more vegetables and fruits. Just think about it: it's true that people in old times ate less then we do, but maybe their diet wasn't balanced, either.

Some kind of food, like fruit, was almost impossible to transport or preserve for a long time. Our grand-parents were given oranges and apples as Christmas presents, and OTMAA may have never seen bananas or mangos in all their lives. So if they ate only breads and meats, it's no wonder it must have affected the way their figures looked.

I don't think Nastia was really "fat". She was chubby, it's true, but she wasn't that overweight. She would have outgrown it, just like Maria had.

The second important thing you musn't forget is the effect that puberty have on girls. One of them is that they put on fat, it's a natural condition for a young boby whose preparing itself to bear children. I think it takes some girls time adjusting to the changes. That's why teen's faces are more chubby than kids. Ten-years-old are often built all in lines. It's the case of much less 15-years-old.

Oh, and by the way, don't forget that girls hit puberty earlier today than around 1900. It's another effect of an overall better nutrition plan on the human kind. So I would be surprised if Nastia really became a young lady at age 15 or 16 and got a little fatter because of that.  ;)

But of course, I'm only talking about things in general, here. For example, I must be at least 5'5'', and I haven't really put any weight on since I was 14.
It's just ideas, so I'm sorry if I sound too much like a little annoying one-who-knows-everything. ;D It just seemed a good idea to share.

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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #106 on: October 01, 2009, 01:49:41 PM »
Do you know the measures of her waist?

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« Reply #107 on: February 21, 2010, 11:22:39 PM »
Like a lot of people on here, I do not believe Anastasia was fat at all. Like Anastasia, I was relatively small as a child but once I hit age 12 or 13, I began an awkward faze. IMO, In the photographs from about 1914-1917/18 Anastasia seemed to be going through HER awkward faze, and,had she lived longer,she probably would have lost all the "dumpiness" of puberty sometime before 18 or 19. It's so sad, she would have made and absolutely gorgeous young woman. Please keep in mind that these are all my own opinions and theories.

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« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2010, 06:19:02 PM »
I don't think she was exactly "fat", either. She could have been a little "plumper" when she was a teen, but no more than that. Her mother was afraid of this typical teenager plumpness, but I think she had no reason to believe that Anastasia would become really FAT. Not at all.

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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2010, 03:02:53 PM »
But her eldest sisters weren't as plump as Anastasia at the same age, of course i'm not saying that she would become fat, but was plumper than Olga and Tatiana

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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2010, 03:26:37 AM »
It really was very unfortunate of her that she got the genes for being plump from her grandfather Alexander III but had not gotten the genes for becoming tall! Poor of her.

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« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2010, 05:54:28 PM »
It really was very unfortunate of her that she got the genes for being plump from her grandfather Alexander III but had not gotten the genes for becoming tall! Poor of her.


Why is that so unfortunate? I think she was unfortunate, but not for the reason of being short or plump.. for the reason of not getting to grow up at all.

Why so much discussion of figures/shapes/sizes anyway?  That's all you see in the magazine racks, especially ones about modern celebrities, then you go to a site about royal ladies from 100 years ago, and more fat talk! Sheesh!

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« Reply #112 on: February 24, 2010, 06:50:00 PM »
"Princess Juliana," concerning this quote from your Reply # 111:    " Why so much discussion of figures/shapes/sizes anyway?'   Ah, remember, "Princess Juliana," IMO many of the posters who haunt these body-type topics, want "their" princesses, grandduchesses, etc. to forever LOOK like a PRINCESS, GRANDDUCHESS, etc. (i.e. svelte, eternally glamorous, gracious, and so forth).  Never a hint of overweight, clumsiness, irregular jaw line, etc.  At any suggestion of deviation from their ideal conception, they go into an apologetic/defense mode supporting their fairly-tale concept of that particular person.   Regards,  AP   (By the way, I see part of your e-mail is "Munich."  Congratulations, if you are from there.  Wonderful city and countryside!)
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« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2010, 07:52:45 PM »
I think that if you want to talk about weight, you mustn't forget some important things. The first is food. It's not only quantity that's important, but quality, too.

We all know that we, today, eat too much junk food. But we also happen to eat much more vegetables and fruits. Just think about it: it's true that people in old times ate less then we do, but maybe their diet wasn't balanced, either.

Some kind of food, like fruit, was almost impossible to transport or preserve for a long time. Our grand-parents were given oranges and apples as Christmas presents, and OTMAA may have never seen bananas or mangos in all their lives. So if they ate only breads and meats, it's no wonder it must have affected the way their figures looked.
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It's just ideas, so I'm sorry if I sound too much like a little annoying one-who-knows-everything. ;D It just seemed a good idea to share.

I think you bring up very interesting ideas. While the Imperial Family may not have eaten much tropical fruits from overseas, we mustn't forget that the Imperial tables were provided with the very best of Russian foodstuffs, including vegetables and fruits, for example shipped in from the Crimea. NAOTMAA certainly ate a lot less cabbage than the average Tsarist subject, to whom I understand it was omnipresent.

(Trying to cut down on starchy foods lately, I have started eating cabbage and realized that in the absence of potatoes, it really must have been one of the staple foods of medieval Europe and Imperial Russia, which BTW must have been quite gassy places!)

Speaking of Kraut....

(By the way, I see part of your e-mail is "Munich."  Congratulations, if you are from there.  Wonderful city and countryside!)

Oh, the Bavarian plain has its charm with the Alps as its backdrop, but as plains go (and surprisingly much of southern Bavaria is a plain) the North German plain is far superior. It has something of the melancholy and outright sadness of the Russian plain. Though the real gems of Germany are of course the Mittelgebirge, the low, wooded Central Mountain Ranges, e.g. in Hesse.
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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2010, 06:49:30 AM »
Alexsandr Pavlovich

I join you in being bored with these endless discussions of people's looks!

So, at the time of her death Anastasia was short and possibly somewhat chubby (depending on whether or not she had lost weight due to the restricted diet available in the latter stages of the family's captivity). Given that she was 17 at the time of her death, she is unlikely to have grown any taller, but may or may not have slimmed down as she got older. With some people it's not just puppy fat which will inevitably be lost at some stage. I was quite skinny until I was 12, then became a bit chubby, and have been struggling with a tendency to put on weight and a hearty appetite ever since!

But does it really matter all that much? I'm far more interested in people's personalities and what they do rather than what they look like! And I'm bored with the assumption that if a woman is beautiful she must necessarily be a wonderful person (it doesn't seem to work in quite the same way with handsome men). For example, the Empress Elizabeth of Austria is raved about because of her looks and the 'tragedy' of her being married to the serious-minded and dutiful Franz Josef. Her very considerable character defects are glossed over in a way which they would certainly not be had she been a bit plain.

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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2010, 07:06:24 AM »
Anyways, I don’t care for the sizes of my favourite Grand Duchesses/Princesses, etc.; whether fat or thin, I love them ;-) I’m sorry for not being able to express my thoughts in my post above in a clearer way as I don’t know the English grammar perfectly, and I thought what I’m thinking was goodly conveyed in my last post. My last post was kind of based from her standpoint.

I didn’t mean that she’s unfortunate because she’s fat and not tall; I only meant that she’s unfortunate because she wasn’t tall. I said that because she also didn’t like her height based on what I’ve read in Wikipedia (quote from Wikipedia: A distant cousin, Princess Nina Georgievna, recalled that “Anastasia was nasty to the point of being evil”, and would cheat, kick, and scratch her playmates during games; she was affronted because the younger Nina was taller than she was) . Based on Encarta dictionary, here’s the meaning of “affront” (verb: to insult or offend somebody openly), that’s why I thought she didn’t like her height.
And perhaps, she also didn’t like her height because she’s the shortest among the sisters and Alexei was even taller than she was. I think Alexei (highly likely) had teased her playfully about it which angered her…I like her chubbiness and shortness, anyway (because I’m also fat and short but shorter than she is ;-) and wouldn’t ever tease her.

IMO, Anastasia is overweight, but not obese (based on all her photos). Obese people are heavier and chubbier-looking than overweight people.
Of course, The IF ate carbohydrate-rich foods (none can live without carbohydrates) only that she and Maria ate more than Olga and Tatiana did that’s why they were plump.

Rœrik, if you want a carbo-rich food which would not make you chubby, eat sweet potatoes ;-)
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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #116 on: February 25, 2010, 07:18:02 AM »
Grand Princess Shandroise I sent my following post just as you sent yours! Sorry not to have addressed what you have said....Thank you for explaining your position! I am grateful!

Anyway:-

Alexsandr Pavlovich and Ann I applaud you! I don't really know why But I feel the urge to add my tuppence worth!

I rarely visit these threads and the vein of the current conversation here is one of the principal reasons why I do not!

I am horrified that the issue of a teenage girl's weight can be picked over and discussed in such detail! It is extraordinary to me that this subject can illicit such attention! Is one right to gain the impression that because Tatiana N was always tall and slender that she is the epitome of how a Grand Duchess should have appeared, disregarding the fact that short, plump Anastasia may have had far more appealing characteristics that may have made her a far more amenable and nicer person? This is quite extraordinary! I feel like I have been reading a series of posts verging on Fat fascism! Queen Victoria, Anastasia's great grandmother appears to have been plump in her youth, does that have any bearing on her ability to perform her Royal duties? I don't believe so! And yes after her husband died and she became a glutton for grief Queen Victoria probably turned to comfort eating as is reflected in her increased girth in later years! But I ask again does this have any proven detrimental effect upon her ability to perform her duties not only a a Royal, but as normal human being? I have to say that I think perhaps people should start thinking about what is going on here.

What Anastasia was eating, when and where being scrutinizing along with her weight, girth etc is hardly a worthy testimony to a young woman murdered on the brink of emerging into adulthood is it?
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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #117 on: February 25, 2010, 08:01:36 AM »
Hmmm…I forgot to put that whether a Grand Duchess/Princess, etc. is tall or short, I love them ;-) I don’t mean in my previous post that Anastasia isn’t an ideal Grand Duchess because she isn’t tall.
Yes, Margot. the physical appearance doesn’t reflect the qualities of a person.


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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #118 on: February 25, 2010, 08:19:25 AM »
Yes, it's not important and doesn't mean anything, but our society gives it a great importance. I think that she was a pretty young lady anyway

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Re: Anastasia's figure/A thick waist?
« Reply #119 on: March 01, 2010, 04:51:36 PM »
Anyways, I don’t care for the sizes of my favourite Grand Duchesses/Princesses, etc.; whether fat or thin, I love them ;-) I’m sorry for not being able to express my thoughts in my post above in a clearer way as I don’t know the English grammar perfectly, and I thought what I’m thinking was goodly conveyed in my last post. My last post was kind of based from her standpoint.

I didn’t mean that she’s unfortunate because she’s fat and not tall; I only meant that she’s unfortunate because she wasn’t tall. I said that because she also didn’t like her height based on what I’ve read in Wikipedia (quote from Wikipedia: A distant cousin, Princess Nina Georgievna, recalled that “Anastasia was nasty to the point of being evil”, and would cheat, kick, and scratch her playmates during games; she was affronted because the younger Nina was taller than she was) . Based on Encarta dictionary, here’s the meaning of “affront” (verb: to insult or offend somebody openly), that’s why I thought she didn’t like her height.
And perhaps, she also didn’t like her height because she’s the shortest among the sisters and Alexei was even taller than she was. I think Alexei (highly likely) had teased her playfully about it which angered her…I like her chubbiness and shortness, anyway (because I’m also fat and short but shorter than she is ;-) and wouldn’t ever tease her.

IMO, Anastasia is overweight, but not obese (based on all her photos). Obese people are heavier and chubbier-looking than overweight people.
Of course, The IF ate carbohydrate-rich foods (none can live without carbohydrates) only that she and Maria ate more than Olga and Tatiana did that’s why they were plump.

Rœrik, if you want a carbo-rich food which would not make you chubby, eat sweet potatoes ;-)


Thanks for the clarifying post-  sorry I was getting on my soapbox about how people go on and on and criticize women about their size. Remember poor Sarah Duchess of York? At least she got a job as a dieting spokesperson! Anyway I am short and plump myself and actually I like Anastasia and Maria the best because they looked the most like I did as a teenager anyway. I think the different builds of the four girls were genetically based, everyone noted that Maria took after grandfather Alexander, and possibly Anastasia after QV?
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