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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #90 on: November 21, 2005, 11:47:06 AM »
I dont think Anastasia had a good body. That was her ONLY fault. Her waist was wide, I think, which would make her seem fat.

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #91 on: November 21, 2005, 12:53:42 PM »
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I dont think Anastasia had a good body. That was her ONLY fault. Her waist was wide, I think, which would make her seem fat.

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It was her fault? Do you mean, it wasN'T only her fault? Because, if she has wide hips or a wide waist, it really wasn't her fault!  ;)

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #92 on: November 21, 2005, 01:31:02 PM »
Oh!! lol Sorry!! No, I meant "flaw".  ::)

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #93 on: November 21, 2005, 02:03:30 PM »
 ;D
At least you corrected it!
And yes, I agree that it was not Anastasia's fauly or flaw! ;)

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #94 on: November 21, 2005, 08:29:16 PM »
i weigh 75 pounds and am 5 foot 2 inches and im 14 years old. is it unhealthy to be that light? but just to let you know i am naturally skinny, and i eat all the time. im like a never ending eating machine. but what REALLY puzzles me is that i am a little bit chubby but i only weigh 75 pounds, i know its not muscle because im not that strong and i dont think that its fat because of me weighing only 75 pounds, what could it be?

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #95 on: November 21, 2005, 08:42:06 PM »
Muscle weighs more than fat. OT, though...

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #96 on: November 22, 2005, 10:03:47 AM »
Yes Anastasia coudn't help her figure, I think it was body type, height, that made her rather dumpy. She wasn't the most beautiful of OTMA but she had a fascinating personality.To me, that more than makes up for her being rather dumpy. ;)

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #97 on: November 22, 2005, 11:34:14 AM »
Nastya, I am 5 feet tall, weigh 70 pounds, and am 13 years old, so I guess you and me are the same body type!! But, I am NOT naturally that way, its because of an eating disorder.

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« Reply #98 on: November 22, 2005, 11:41:51 AM »
Anastasia, I think was naturally the way she was. I am thin, about 105-110 ten pounds, 5'6, 19. Just in case anyone wants to know, I can't speak for Anastasia's body type personally, so my opinion is uninformed. ;)But, I know the Romanovs A to Z.

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« Reply #99 on: December 13, 2005, 01:16:16 PM »
Weight is not easily estimated from photographs or even clothing. I think it is important to remember that bone structure and body composition often have more of an effect on weight than mere height does.

I'll offer up my grandmother as an example. Her figure sounds very similar to those of the oldest Grand Duchesses. At the time of her marriage, my grandmother was 5'7" tall and weighed 107 pounds. I inherited her wedding dress and have measured it. The waistline is 21" and the bustline is 30". The photographs I have of my grandmother in her wedding dress confirm that the dress fit loosely, so her actual measurements must have been smaller by several inches. She was married in the 1940's and the dress was a size 10. A modern size 10 would measure (without ease, usually several inches) at least 36" in the bust and 28" in the waist. A modern size 0 would be considerably larger than my grandmother's size 10 wedding gown. So, in about sixty years it seems that women have become quite a bit fuller-figured without necessarily becoming taller. My grandmother was 5'7" after all.

My grandmother was considered thin in her time, but the fashion then was for plumper and shorter figures. When my grandmother aged, she put on weight, topping out around 126 pounds. At that weight, she was quite heavy for a woman of her bone structure, despite her height, and despite the fact that she was technically underweight. She often bought a size 14 or 16 to wear yet she was still technically "underweight" at a height of 5'7" and a weight of 126.

So, my rambling point is that a very fine-boned individual will likely not weigh much at all. I would guess that even the tallest Grand Duchesses were not much over 100 pounds, even if that sounds dreadfully thin to us. Photographs of my grandmother always showed her to have a lovely figure. She didn't look bony or skinny at 107 with a 20" or less waistline. She still had curves. One thing that was noticable though was how tiny her wrists and ankles were and how thin her arms and legs were.

Another interesting thing is that people who are considered "slender" today are somewhat different in structure than those who were considered "slender" a few generations ago. A friend of mine who has very tiny bones (her ankle is smaller than my wrist), is only 5'2", and considered very thin and petite was much, much too large to fit into the wedding dress I spoke of.

Several years ago Marilyn Monroe's personal effects were auctioned. Despite her reputation for plumpness (she has even been accused of obesity!), I remember reading in People (?) magazine that the auctioners had real difficulty in finding any mannequins small enough to display her dresses. Likewise, I saw a display at the Metropolitan Museum of Art in 2003 of society clothes from the 1920's and 30's. I don't think any of the dresses displayed would have allowed for a waistline of more than 24 inches. Most looked considerably smaller.

People today really are (in general) much more robust than a century ago, so comparing weights from individuals who may be of similar height and each considered thin in her day may be misleading if their bone density/ structure/muscle mass are different.

As another example, even back when I weighed only ninety pounds, I could not get my grandmother's wristwatch to fasten around my wrist. It was an inch too short, at least. So, it is no surprise that I grew up to weigh considerably more than she did, even while wearing a smaller clothing size. Our body composition was very different.

I hope I didn't come off as a know-it -all in my first post. I just find this topic interesting and wanted to offer my perspective.

ETA: Why can't I type wristwatch? Okay wrist watch. Will that do?
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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #100 on: December 13, 2005, 01:24:55 PM »
 :o Oh no, you most certainly did NOT come out as a know-it-all, and welcome to the forum!!
I agree about bone structure/musle mass.
Usually, people that have more muscle appear plumper than what they really are. And muscle weighs more than fat.

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #101 on: December 13, 2005, 03:55:16 PM »
Thank you for the welcome. This is an interesting forum.

Another thought:

I have a friend who seems to have a similar body type to Anastasia. My friend is about 5'1" tall and, while hardly large in build, she does have a slight stockiness/sturdiness to her frame. She weighs about 115 at her slimmest and 135 at her normal heaviest, though I think she has weighed slightly more at times. She is a little more muscular than average and that makes her weigh a bit more than one would expect for her height.

My guess for a weight on a "plump"  five-foot-tall teenage girl of about sixteen would be between 115 and 125 pounds. I don't think such a girl would be considered plump or fat these days, but back then, it is quite possible, especially if her older siblings were strikingly slender.

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #102 on: December 16, 2005, 10:55:39 AM »
People did have different builds back then, that might carry different connotations than today. I think people on the whole were much shorter, and smaller than we might suspect, as you pointed out. If you see the width of stairs, you think they had tiny feet, and small chairs, they were not very tall. And anyone who think this is right. After all we have our modern standards and they had theirs, and it might not be illuminating to compare after all.

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #103 on: December 16, 2005, 02:42:56 PM »
Yes, Imperial Angel is correct.
Some ten years ago, shipwreck divers were investigating a sunken pirate ship from the colonial era.
The divers found shoes that belonged to the passengers of the ship and compared it to our modern sizes, finding that men from earlier ages were indeed shorter and smaller.
Of course, like Aleksander III, there are some occasional GIANTS ;) ;)

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Re: Anastasia's "figure"
« Reply #104 on: December 18, 2005, 10:13:18 PM »
Hehe, we've grown taller, but FATTER, so no real improvement there.  ;) It doesn't help either that as a whole, society is much, much less active than at the turn of the century. Most people in Russia, including the aristocracy, it seems didn't have cars and there were no modern toys to amuse themselves with. Our diets are also full of junk that I'm sure they could not have even comprehended. Overall, we've set ourselves up for heavier figures.
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