Maria without jewels in Ipatiev house

[Bob_the_builder]

You know what I don't understand, if Marie didn't have jewels, then why didn't Emakov's bayonet piece her bodice when he attempted stab her with the bayonets after she and Anastasia awoke as their bodies where being taken out of the cellar?

I think it's obvious Baroness Buxhoevden did give the information to the guards the info about the hidden jewels based upon the evidence left in his memoirs.

But you can clearly read that they only found jewels on Olga, Tatiana, and Anastasia. Not Marie. According to FOTR (which includes source notes to back up all of their claims), Yurovsky thought it was because indeed, AF kind of shunned Maria in the end.

I could be Maria wasn't allowed to carry the jewels. Alexandra's reasoning was probably that "if we can't trust her with the guards then we can't trust her to hold the jewels."

Another reason could be that Maria didn't have any sown into her clothes because none of the jewels were sown in the GD's clothes until AFTER Maria was in Ekaterinburg with her parents and Alexandra wrote to the girls to "dispose of the medicines.

[mr_harrison75]

Or perhaps Mariya had jewels in her clothes, but someone took them for himself, and claimed that she had no jewels...after all, that same person claimed that he burned two bodies that has never been found...

[Bob_the_builder]

Or perhaps Mariya had jewels in her clothes, but someone took them for himself, and claimed that she had no jewels...after all, that same person claimed that he burned two bodies that has never been found...

You're right. Yurovsky could have been the only one who stole the jewels in all probability as he had called the other guards in to put all stolen items on his desk and he threatened to shoot them if they were caught with any of the possessions.

It's just another mystery to the "Final Chapter" when may never know.

EDIT: But if Yurovsky had taken the jewels, what would he have done to them, sold them? And to whom? They've certainly never been traced?

[Robert_Hall]

That theory is questioning Yurovsky's loyalty as an undieing, true Bolshevik...devoted to the "cause". I do not see that in him. he was comitted enough to  murder  innocent children for his "beliefs". I do not think he was a common thief. Also, his life afterwards was not embelished by any show of wealth or privilage.

[TheAce1918]

Indeed, as far as the Final Chapter goes, I believe that in the latter half of Yurovsky's years, he lived a life of poverty and paranoia within the Lenin era as well as the Stalin era, hence his horrid reputation after the Civil War, as a theif and belligerant individual.

[Bob_the_builder]

That theory is questioning Yurovsky's loyalty as an undieing, true Bolshevik...devoted to the "cause". I do not see that in him. he was comitted enough to  murder  innocent children for his "beliefs". I do not think he was a common thief. Also, his life afterwards was not embelished by any show of wealth or privilage.

You are right. I really can't picture Yurovsky doing what he ordered his men not to do.

[mr_harrison75]

ok, it was just a supposition after all...

So, why do you suppose Mariya didn't have any jewels? Could it be that she really was shunned by her family to some extent?

Although it is possible...

Any ideas?

[Bob_the_builder]

ok, it was just a supposition after all...

So, why do you suppose Mariya didn't have any jewels? Could it be that she really was shunned by her family to some extent?

Although it is possible...

Any ideas?

Personally, I think she was either shunned by Alexandra or that she was in the Ipatiev House with her parents already while the other girls "disposed" of the medicines but then again they probably had to sow them in their clothes back in Tsarskoe Selo because they weren't allowed to bring jewels to Tobolsk so I'm going with the first suggestion, that she was shunned by Alexandra for her flirtation with the guard.

[TheAce1918]

Shunned is a pretty strong word.  I don't think Alexandra would ever bring herself to that point against one of her children.  Other than murder. 
However, I can see, and understand Alexandra not approving of Marie and the guard.

[Georgiy]

Nothing from Alexandra's diary suggests she was 'shunned' or anything. According to Speranski, Tatiana also flirted at Ipatiev House. I think the answer is quite simple - the Empress warned O, T and A to 'dispose of the medicines' in a note sent to them in Tobolsk when the Tsar, Tsaritsa and Maria were already in Ekaterinburg. The ones in Tobolsk had opportunity to conceal, the ones in Ekaterinburg, presumably far less opportunity.

[Bob_the_builder]

Nothing from Alexandra's diary suggests she was 'shunned' or anything. According to Speranski, Tatiana also flirted at Ipatiev House. I think the answer is quite simple - the Empress warned O, T and A to 'dispose of the medicines' in a note sent to them in Tobolsk when the Tsar, Tsaritsa and Maria were already in Ekaterinburg. The ones in Tobolsk had opportunity to conceal, the ones in Ekaterinburg, presumably far less opportunity.

You're right, but were they allowed to take jewels with them to Tobolsk?

[Robert_Hall]

They took a trainload of household chattels with them and even more was sent on later, why not jewels as well?

[Bob_the_builder]

They took a trainload of household chattels with them and even more was sent on later, why not jewels as well?

But I didn't think they would allow them in the Governor's house, which makes me think that they must have sown them into their clothes before they went to Tobolsk.

[Bob_the_builder]

Nothing from Alexandra's diary suggests she was 'shunned' or anything. According to Speranski, Tatiana also flirted at Ipatiev House. I think the answer is quite simple - the Empress warned O, T and A to 'dispose of the medicines' in a note sent to them in Tobolsk when the Tsar, Tsaritsa and Maria were already in Ekaterinburg. The ones in Tobolsk had opportunity to conceal, the ones in Ekaterinburg, presumably far less opportunity.

Yes, but Marie was caught conversing with a guard alone on her birthday, perhaps this is what Alix didn't like, that she was that comfortable with their imprisoners. Also, Yurovsky himself seemed to notice that Alexandra and Olga seemed to be a little more distant from Marie during their final days.

[Georgiy]

References to Maria, from Empress's diary.
14/27 June Marie's 19th B.D
16/29 June The others went out, Maria remained with me.
<If she was in disgrace, why was she allowed out the day between?>
18 June/1 July Others walked, Marie remained with me.
20 June/3 July Maria and Niuta washed my head.
25 June/8 July Maria remained at home with me
29 June/12 July The others went out twice, Maria remained with me.
2/15 July read with Maria Jesus Son of Sirach 26-31

There is absolutely nothing she writes that suggests anything had changed with her relationship. As they had been doing for weeks, the girls took turns to stay indoors with the Empress. I don't think Yurovsky is the most reliable person to comment on family relations between the Romanovs.