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Infatuated with Tatiana
« on: December 27, 2008, 11:28:55 PM »
For many years I have been infatuated, even romantically, with Tatiana.

I know it's silly. I don't understand it. It doesn't make any sense. Why over the years have I been infatuated with a Russian Grand Duchess who died now just over 90 years ago? Is it the way she and her family died? Is it the mystique that surrounds Russia's last Imperial Family? Or is it something else? Just what is it and why?

Also, why Tatiana? Why not one of the other Grand Duchesses? What is it about the person Tatiana Nicholaievna Romanov that I have over the years been infatuated with her?

As a firm believer in reincarnation, naturally I have wondered if Tatiana is living today and who she is. I also believe in multiple realities, multiple dimentional planes, multiple universes. But most of all, since it doesn't make any sense, and since I don't understand it, I keep coming back to the questions of "Why?".

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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2008, 12:02:54 AM »
Re: Your posting of today's date.  I realize that you are very, very new to this Forum and I will firstly presume that you are asking a serious question and are an adult.  In my opinion, only YOU can ultimately answer your posting, hence your posing of this question/s.  But we are not you and you are not we. We do not know (nor do we need to know) what other extraneous circumstances intervene in your particular quest.  I do not personally know of anyone here who can supply you (in a non-professional manner) with a DEFINITIVE answer that will "lift" what you seem to articulate has apparently become a burden to you.  Hopefully it does not interfere with your activities of daily living. ( If it were to do so, there are professional alternatives, of course. )
       I rather suggest that you read carefully your thematic first statement  and the first three sentences of the second paragraph of your posting and perhaps leave it at that realization. Surely you can seek to transfer your passion/obsession to a more constructive topic.  I wish you good luck!   AP
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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2008, 02:43:02 AM »
I perhaps owe an appology, at least an explanation. If anyone thinks by the term "infatuated" I mean "obsessed" they are wrong, it's not that at all.

I realize how this might sound, but I have the ability to do what I call feeling time. The ability to somehow personally touch and connect with other times and often other times and places. It's as if I feel a need to somehow go back and personally re-live and experience certain periods in history, and bring those experiences back to share with others. There are occasions when I feel it more strongly than others, and I feel it more in connection with certain periods or subjects of history than than with others. Strangely for this discussion, Russian History even that of the last of the Tsars is not one of those periods or subjects, though it does at times creep in and moreso recently. Almost exclusively it is American History, and History of The Ancient World, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece, etc.

If my mind is kind of blank and I'm not concentrating on anything in particular, certain sights, sounds, a peice of music, a smell, the heat on a particular summer day, etc can trigger it and it's as if for an instant or so I am in another time or another time and place as if for an instant some uncrossable barrier has been transcended.

Like I said, Russian History even that of the last of the Tsars isn't usually one of those times or subjects in history, though it does come to me at times and moreso recently. Perhaps that is because I have recently come to a sense that restoration of The Russian Monarchy will come within the foreseeable future. Other than that and a possibly profetic dream I had years ago about the restoration I don't know why I have developed some interest in the subject of The Russian Monarchy. Also, I have no idea as to why Tatiana.

Like I also said, almost exclusively it is with American History and with the History of The Ancient World that I have this.

I am also someone who feels a need to understand things, even things we cannot normally understand or explain in normal or logical terms. So in this case I do wonder why this subject in history, and I do wonder why of all people Tatiana. Those are questions for which I will probably never find an answer, but I ask the questions anyway.

I don't think of this ability as a problem to get rid of. Instead I think of it as a kind of gift. I don't know what purpose this gift serves except that if I were a history teacher I could make history literally come alive for my students. 

One problem with gifts like this is that they don't come with any instructions or any sort of user's guide to help one to understand how to use or handle such gifts. That is something people with such gifts have to figure out for themselves.

Is there anyone else here who can feel time like that, and what periods of history do you feel it for?   
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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2008, 05:38:34 AM »
Firstly welcome to the forum Multiverse!

Now please forgive me if I make any wrong assumptions, I thought that I try to help you. Your 'infatuation' with Tatiana - perhaps at one point in your life there was somebody who ment alot to to you, perhaps somebody you admired, perhpahs just a relative or friend. anyway this person may not be in your life anymore and you thought nothing of it until you had your' dreams'. perhaps Tatiana remidns you of this person. mabey this person shares similar features to Tatiana, mabey they have a similar personality,mabey a similar name. whatever reason it may be, mabey this is why are infatuated with Tatiana.

Now please don't think I'm prying into your personal life - this is just what I thought it could be, again if I am wrong please forgive me. please feel free to tell me to ' put a sock in it'  :)

hope this helps,

Tom


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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2008, 02:41:16 PM »
For many years I have been infatuated, even romantically, with Tatiana.

I know it's silly. I don't understand it. It doesn't make any sense. Why over the years have I been infatuated with a Russian Grand Duchess who died now just over 90 years ago? Is it the way she and her family died? Is it the mystique that surrounds Russia's last Imperial Family? Or is it something else? Just what is it and why?

Also, why Tatiana? Why not one of the other Grand Duchesses? What is it about the person Tatiana Nicholaievna Romanov that I have over the years been infatuated with her?

As a firm believer in reincarnation, naturally I have wondered if Tatiana is living today and who she is. I also believe in multiple realities, multiple dimentional planes, multiple universes. But most of all, since it doesn't make any sense, and since I don't understand it, I keep coming back to the questions of "Why?".

I am also a firm believer in recarnation and would like to talk to you...
I have sent you a PM but I don't think it works...could you send me an email address? :) ;)

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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2008, 06:33:01 PM »
I think I may have found an answer.

When you have someone like OTMA and Alexei whose lives were cut so very short, especially in the kind of cruel violent way their's were, some people have feelings of wanting to somehow reach back across time and give that person or those persons the life they were so cruely denied. Even more when it is either someone you knew personally, or someone like this where we have lots of photos and first hand accounts and we know what that person was really like.

Something in my own background may make me feel even more that way. My father and mother were married for 14 years before I was born. Very early in their marriage they had first a son then a daughter. Each of them lived only about 3 hours. They were both born very premature, and so was I. I was due August 22 but I was born on July 2. We found out later my mother was born with only one kidney and that is probably why she could not carry a baby full term. Medically I survived because of the medical progress that was made in saving premature babies. But spiritually I have always wondered why I lived and my brother and sister did not. I wondered what it would have been like growing up with them and what kind of lives they would have each had. In wondering that, for some reason I have always felt as if I was the eldest. Every year on their birthday I buy each of them a birthday card and write a little note inside it. Over the years I have made a collection of birthday cards to my brother and sister. A few years ago I had a natal horoscope and birthchart done for each of them.

Perhaps I saw in Tatiana a beautiful young woman who was kind, caring, gave unselfishly of herself, even served as a war nurse personally treating wounded soldiers. Maybe in some way I wanted to do for this person Tatiana what I had done for my brother and sister. That's one of the things I like about reincarnation. It says for someone like this whose life was cut so very short that this isn't their only chance, that they have other lifetimes and other chances to live and be happy. 

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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2008, 08:30:25 PM »
I am also a firm believer in recarnation and would like to talk to you...
I have sent you a PM but I don't think it works...could you send me an email address? :) ;)
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I am_Tatianochka, I got your PM and I sent you two PM's in reply. Wasn't sure if the first one worked so I sent the second one. I would be very happy to talk with you. You might first check my profile.
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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 01:03:03 PM »
Perhaps I saw in Tatiana a beautiful young woman who was kind, caring, gave unselfishly of herself, even served as a war nurse personally treating wounded soldiers. Maybe in some way I wanted to do for this person Tatiana what I had done for my brother and sister.

You may be seeing just what you like about what you've read of her and what you want to see in her. There are parts of Tatiana's character, things she did or said that you don't know, and will never know about. Tatiana wasn't only a beautiful young woman who could be kind and caring. I'm sure you must be aware that she was essentially just a girl and could also give in to her own impulses at times? (Even those first-hand accounts tend to be very romanticised versions. But then again -- who enjoys speaking ill of the dead? They were trying to speak of them in the best light.) IMHO, you seem to be a person who is very caught up with romantic ideals. I get the feeling you spend a lot of time in your own mind. I don't think you're 'infatuated' with the real Tatiana. You're infatuated with the Tatiana you've created in your mind for reasons only you know.
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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 03:25:20 PM »
Perhaps I saw in Tatiana a beautiful young woman who was kind, caring, gave unselfishly of herself, even served as a war nurse personally treating wounded soldiers. Maybe in some way I wanted to do for this person Tatiana what I had done for my brother and sister.

You may be seeing just what you like about what you've read of her and what you want to see in her. There are parts of Tatiana's character, things she did or said that you don't know, and will never know about. Tatiana wasn't only a beautiful young woman who could be kind and caring. I'm sure you must be aware that she was essentially just a girl and could also give in to her own impulses at times? (Even those first-hand accounts tend to be very romanticised versions. But then again -- who enjoys speaking ill of the dead? They were trying to speak of them in the best light.) IMHO, you seem to be a person who is very caught up with romantic ideals. I get the feeling you spend a lot of time in your own mind. I don't think you're 'infatuated' with the real Tatiana. You're infatuated with the Tatiana you've created in your mind for reasons only you know.

Holly took the words from my mouth....
You or me or somebody else can't know for sure what Tatiana did or said or thought... and as Holly said proabably you are not infatuated with the real Tatiana,but Tatiana which you created..... There is no perfect creature.... And so Tatiana wasn't she got bad sides and good... And for some reason i think you are only seeing her good sides.... Which you must fix... by yourself.... I can't help you it's just my opinion... Only you can help yourself.... I know only one good exercise... ( i don't know will it work for you... )
Look at those two pictures... And ask yourself what you like in her... After you do that go and try to find more about Tatiana's charackter:



Two simple and usual photos... One formal and other with her mother and Olga, Anastasia....

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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2008, 10:43:54 PM »

Aloha all!

In my opinion, the whole reason why I have always been so fascinated with the whole IF - especially the Grand Duchesses - is just this fact - that they were very ordinary girls living extrodinary lives -
each one of them from their letters, diaries, photos - show good sides and bad sides - just basically like all of us!  And that is what makes them so endearing - they WERE like us in many ways.

Their lifestyle obviously is something that we cannot even imagine - but despite that they seem to be people that by their very "human-ness" - we can relate to and care for in our own ways.

Hau'oli Makahiki Hou!  (Happy New Year!)

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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2008, 04:33:35 AM »
Multiverse, I think you're just one of the boys who rudely argue over the Grand duchesses in Youtube!(Not specifically Tatiana)Those boys want to marry one of the gd's.hooh!

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Re: Infatuated with Tatiana
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2008, 06:52:15 AM »
one of the boys who rudely argue over the Grand duchesses in Youtube!(Not specifically Tatiana)

What do you mean Olga_Maria? Excuse me i couldn't understand you good...

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2009, 04:49:41 AM »
Aah..So sorry Irina. I watched a video of Romanov tributes in youtube then after it, I read the comments. Someone there said this " You know, this makes me angry. This makes me think to go back to their time and save them.Then, I would marry one of the daughters...". Those were not the actual words. It's just so nice to know many have crush n them because many replied and argued about each others comments. Sorry for the bad english. I think it's another factor why  you don't understand me.

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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2009, 06:26:50 AM »
O my... Those people are very strange for me ... I also don't like people who make videos about OTMA and don't know nothing about them... And use colored pictures without giving credits...

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2009, 04:01:13 PM »
I think I may have found an answer.

When you have someone like OTMA and Alexei whose lives were cut so very short, especially in the kind of cruel violent way their's were, some people have feelings of wanting to somehow reach back across time and give that person or those persons the life they were so cruely denied. Even more when it is either someone you knew personally, or someone like this where we have lots of photos and first hand accounts and we know what that person was really like.

Something in my own background may make me feel even more that way. My father and mother were married for 14 years before I was born. Very early in their marriage they had first a son then a daughter. Each of them lived only about 3 hours. They were both born very premature, and so was I. I was due August 22 but I was born on July 2. We found out later my mother was born with only one kidney and that is probably why she could not carry a baby full term. Medically I survived because of the medical progress that was made in saving premature babies. But spiritually I have always wondered why I lived and my brother and sister did not. I wondered what it would have been like growing up with them and what kind of lives they would have each had. In wondering that, for some reason I have always felt as if I was the eldest. Every year on their birthday I buy each of them a birthday card and write a little note inside it. Over the years I have made a collection of birthday cards to my brother and sister. A few years ago I had a natal horoscope and birthchart done for each of them.

Perhaps I saw in Tatiana a beautiful young woman who was kind, caring, gave unselfishly of herself, even served as a war nurse personally treating wounded soldiers. Maybe in some way I wanted to do for this person Tatiana what I had done for my brother and sister. That's one of the things I like about reincarnation. It says for someone like this whose life was cut so very short that this isn't their only chance, that they have other lifetimes and other chances to live and be happy. 

I think it is always tempting to write a continuation to lives cut short, to tragic stories where people died before their time. It reminds me of a Marcel Proust quote- something about how it's like the dead are just traveling abroad- will have to look it up. Also there's a Gloria Steinem quote'' When the past dies, there is mourning, but when the future dies, our imaginations are compelled to carry it on''. Gloria Steinem was writing of Marilyn Monroe, but it seems to me that quote is kind of what you are doing. You are trying to carry the future on, the future that died when Tatiana died, or  the future that died when your siblings died. I think that's only human to do that, but it takes a thoughtful person to do so. I too wonder what if about some family members who died as infants- my mother had an older sister who died as baby. My mother wouldn't have been the eldest had this sister of her's lived, she would have been the middle child. Tatiana's life and indeed all the Romanov's lives compell you to carry them on..
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