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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #210 on: February 06, 2009, 10:32:08 AM »
I had heard rumors but could not find anything to confirm till I saw 'The Crownprince'. The historian Ms. Hamann was a consultant for this movie and also she mentions it again in the link to the ZDF in the other thread.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #211 on: February 06, 2009, 10:36:51 AM »
Hmm i saw it in the "Crown Prince" too and asked Imperial_Grounds but he couldn't find anything in his books.....So i think it may be possible she to have...
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #212 on: February 06, 2009, 11:13:58 AM »
Maybe we could ask the historian where he got the information. The Doctor who examined the empress's dead body ?

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #213 on: February 06, 2009, 11:43:26 AM »
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« Reply #214 on: February 06, 2009, 03:32:12 PM »
its also shown that she has that tattoo in the documentation show on a DVD u can by in schönnbrun its called the enigma of an empress..
Here a short trailer from youtube about that DVD..here you can see the anchor tattood on her shoulder:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY
.. and in the book of brigitte hamann and other books but i dont remember the names
even her daughter marie-valerie wrote it in her diary..
I got the diary so i will look for the text in it..
i will write it here(translated to english):

3. December 1888:
Mama(sisi) thinks the christmas present is beautifull. We talked about all kinds of things, when Papa(franz joseph)came in the room and asked me(marie valerie), if i cried about the terrible suprise , that mama had A anchor on her shoulder, what i think is so original and not so horrible. " oh no", sighed mama, "i rather cried about an other suprise".
papa: "well?". Mama: "she(marie valerie)wants to tell Franz( franz salvator), that he her chosen one is.".
Papa in a short manner : "What does that mean?"...

and so it goes on...

 
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #215 on: February 06, 2009, 03:35:01 PM »
When and where did she do it ?

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #216 on: February 06, 2009, 03:42:29 PM »
in corfu end of september she went to corfu and returned to miramare on 30 november so between that time
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #217 on: February 06, 2009, 03:45:51 PM »
So it is true. I saw the trailer, seems to be good and I've seen it three times now so it should be true, and if Brigitte Hamann said she had one it is probably true since she is one of the best historians on her life.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #218 on: February 06, 2009, 03:51:15 PM »
So it is true. I saw the trailer, seems to be good and I've seen it three times now so it should be true, and if Brigitte Hamann said she had one it is probably true since she is one of the best historians on her life.
yes and its in the diary of sisi's daughter as you can see ;)


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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #219 on: February 06, 2009, 04:00:51 PM »
In Corfu, then she did it much later in life and not as a young woman.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #220 on: February 06, 2009, 04:15:36 PM »
as you can see in my other reply with the text from her daughters diary it was in 1888.. so yes it was in her older years..


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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #221 on: February 07, 2009, 03:14:12 AM »
its also shown that she has that tattoo in the documentation show on a DVD u can by in schönnbrun its called the enigma of an empress..
Here a short trailer from youtube about that DVD..here you can see the anchor tattood on her shoulder:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_b__UzLGdY
.. and in the book of brigitte hamann and other books but i dont remember the names
even her daughter marie-valerie wrote it in her diary..
I got the diary so i will look for the text in it..
i will write it here(translated to english):

3. December 1888:
Mama(sisi) thinks the christmas present is beautifull. We talked about all kinds of things, when Papa(franz joseph)came in the room and asked me(marie valerie), if i cried about the terrible suprise , that mama had A anchor on her shoulder, what i think is so original and not so horrible. " oh no", sighed mama, "i rather cried about an other suprise".
papa: "well?". Mama: "she(marie valerie)wants to tell Franz( franz salvator), that he her chosen one is.".
Papa in a short manner : "What does that mean?"...

and so it goes on...

 

And so it is true...
I'm just surprised because even before, tattoo is  already a common thing in the world but not totally accepted in Royal Protocols.

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #222 on: February 07, 2009, 04:41:46 AM »
Madame-Sisi

For very first time i see this:

3. December 1888:
Mama(sisi) thinks the christmas present is beautifull. We talked about all kinds of things, when Papa(franz joseph)came in the room and asked me(marie valerie), if i cried about the terrible suprise , that mama had A anchor on her shoulder...........
 

I always thought it's on German but good to see english version by you(?)
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #223 on: February 07, 2009, 05:19:55 AM »
@ Ingrid Alexie:
Yes it was a common thing..but she was extravagant.. and she always did what she wanted not how the court wanted it..so there is another reason..
and its an anchor because she loves the sea.. she even once said that she was the female flying dutchman that sails around the seas..:p

@Irina Alexandrovna :
For all i know is that the book is only in german.. and i have it in german so i translated it to english(but only that part..not the whole book :p) so everyone here on the forum could read it..cause not everybody can speak german..:)


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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part II
« Reply #224 on: February 07, 2009, 07:51:22 AM »
Elisabeth spent the winter of 1861-1862 in Venice with her mother Ludovika and her two children :



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