Tatiana & Cleopatra

[rskkiya]

Has anyone got any "evidence" that there was any attempt to seduce any guards? Actually I think that this topic is getting a bit crude - but other than guesswork what do we have ? A handfull of immature girls, a sick boy, a middle aged couple, a older maid, a footman a doctor and a cook...Not exactly what I would think of along the lines of "Mata Hari and Co."!

Rskkiya

[rskkiya]

Has anyone got any "evidence" that there was any attempt to seduce any guards? Actually I think that this topic is getting a bit crude - but other than guesswork what do we have ? A handfull of immature girls, a sick boy, a middle aged couple, a older maid, a footman a doctor and a cook...Not exactly what I would think of along the lines of "Mata Hari and Co."!
Rskkiya

Anyone?

[RomanovFan]

I honestly don't think any of the grand duchesses would have tried at all to seduce the guards. Besides, Maria and Anastasia were still young teen girls at the time and probably too scared to even go near them, let alone try to seduce them.  Cleopatra is a whole different story.  Yes, she did seduce Ceasar and Marc Antony both, but I think she fell in love with them in the process. Cleopatra married Antony at one point; but I don't think she and Ceasar ever legally married and her marriage to Antony was not considered legal... at least in Rome, because he was still legally married to Ceasar's niece, Octavia. Antony also had two other children with his two other wives: a daughter, Antonia, with Octavia and a son, Antilus, with his first wife, Fulvia, both of which Cleopatra took in to raise with her four children: Ptolemy Ceasar, Cleopatra Selene, Alexander Helios and Ptolemy Philidelphus, three of which were Antony's children.

[moonlight_tsarina]

Hey Michelle,

I completely agree with you, OTMA were absolutely beautiful. Shame on you Robert for calling them merely "pretty enough". That remark 's almost sacrilegious  
I don't believe any of the girls would have even thought about seducing the guards, for they were indeed very virtuous and devout. It wouldn't have entered their heads.

Karentje

I totally agree with this; the thought of the girls doing this would be thought as 'appalling'.
And, Alix wouldn't approve, honor was more important than anything.

[moonlight_tsarina]

Also, I strongly agree with Michelle on the opinion that OTMA were the most beautiful girls possibly in the whole world, excluding Grace Kelly and a few other people..

[Dashkova]

Anyone?

The record (letters, memoirs, photos, and film) they were all skilled (however genteel) flirts, having spent so much time in the company of officers.

Someone PLEASE cite the "bosom" remark.  If it is true (and I seriously doubt it), then how horrible for them.

I don't think any of these girls actively sought to "seduce" guards, but certainly there was flirtation taking place.  And in such isolation and utter boredom, not knowing what would come next in their lives, it would not be surprising at all if romances blossomed.  Indeed, whyever not?  The guards were NOT beasts, and most were not even Bolsheviks.  They were mostly young men with decent, respectable upbringings.

[Lanie]

The record (letters, memoirs, photos, and film) they were all skilled (however genteel) flirts, having spent so much time in the company of officers.

Someone PLEASE cite the "bosom" remark.  If it is true (and I seriously doubt it), then how horrible for them.

I don't think any of these girls actively sought to "seduce" guards, but certainly there was flirtation taking place.  And in such isolation and utter boredom, not knowing what would come next in their lives, it would not be surprising at all if romances blossomed.  Indeed, whyever not?  The guards were NOT beasts, and most were not even Bolsheviks.  They were mostly young men with decent, respectable upbringings.

Only time I read the 'bosom' thing was in Carolyn Meyer's horribly inaccurate Anastasia's Diary thing.  It's sad people get their information from that.  Agreed--what's wrong with them flirting with these people?  To them it was natural behavior, they did it a lot with the sailors on the Standart and it probably wasn't serious to them, just being friendly.  What's so bad about that?

[Michelle]

Also, i strongly agree with Michelle on the opinion that OTMA were the most beautiful girls possibly in the world, excluding grace kelly and a few other people..
 

You do mean that OTMA were at least equal to Grace Kelly, riiiiiiiiight?

[Alice]

As for this continued discussion re: who is and isn't pretty, and blah blah blah . . . well, once it has been established that the girls were indeed winsome, that certain women were definitely soigne, etc. . . . who bloody hell cares?! In an era when even the venerable Miss America Pageant is having to go look for a network, perhaps we should consider moving on when it comes to squabbling about who is the prettiest, who is isn't, and other similar matters involving style vs. substance.  

Thankyou, Janet. I agree wholeheartedly. Everyone has their opinions over beauty, so let's not squabble over it.

[GD Alexandra]

I'm with you girls.

[moonlight_tsarina]

You do mean that OTMA were at least equal to Grace Kelly, riiiiiiiiight?

Yes! Lol, in fact, even more so than Grace Kelly.  

[Michelle]

Yes! Lol, in fact, even more so than Grace Kelly.  

Splendid!!

[xX_Mashka_Xx]

I don't think Tatyana or any of the other girls were anything like Cleopatra, especially not Tatyana, even though she was the prettiest of the grand duchesses, in my opinion.

[RealAnastasia]

No...Not Cleopatra...She was very pretty but I think that use her beauty to get things would have never crossed her mind. She would blush if she could read this thread!  

  As for people who said that women are "dogs" in those years, makes me laugh too much. I had family back then, obviously and see their snapshots often...And woman were really gorgeous, with their long dresses, and their hairdos . I must said BEATIFUL! As an historian, I must see many old photos, paintings etc. And women were really beatiful (there were ugly stuff too, of course!  ).

  RealAnastasia.

[Robert_Hall]

Which Cleopatra are you talking about? As an "historian" you must be aware of the historical Cleopatra [exceptionally illustrated  in a British Museum exhibit not too long ago], as well as the Hollywood version. They are not at all the same.