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« Reply #30 on: February 21, 2005, 04:47:32 PM »
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I don't think he still carried a torch for her...I always thought that his feelings for Missy were more of the 'puppy love' kind rather than a strong emotional attachment.


Shame! I rather hoped it might give him some kind of 'passion' :D (I am joking!)
The thought of his nostalgia though, is quite endearing. (A bit!)

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« Reply #31 on: February 21, 2005, 11:04:35 PM »
Wow, even a crack in the GV dislike!  ;)  He could be quite the passionate fellow I think. He wrote some very romantic letters and  there could be some in the archives that haven't ever been released or were destroyed (ala Bertie & Alex). Remember in the Connaught thread and Arthur's letters--still waters can run deep.  :) I think more than Missy, Julie Stonor had the deeper hold on him. She was the only commoner allowed to just called him 'George' even after he was King. She was quite the beauty too.
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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2005, 10:27:34 AM »
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Wow, even a crack in the GV dislike!  ;)  Remember in the Connaught thread and Arthur's letters--still waters can run deep.  :) I think more than Missy, Julie Stonor had the deeper hold on him. She was the only commoner allowed to just called him 'George' even after he was King. She was quite the beauty too.


It's a TINY crack (& it won't always be Lent!!) ;) But your reminder about Arthur, by whom I was very pleasantly surprised, is very convincing..so I haven't closed my mind altogether! (Are you SURE you're not a barrister?) :)
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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2005, 03:19:14 AM »
Queen Mary had a an upper class crisp english accent. When she named the Queen Mary and not the Normandy, her voice was clear. She also spoke to the nation in a broadcast in 1940 during the dark days of the war. She had a rich voice and I am told that she no trace of German accent.

AF and Mary well I have never believed they got on to well. AF thought Mary a little common because of her morganatic blood, others words not mine. Also Mary was devoted to her husbands family and its history. Many who are on the outside of a family, and have had a difficult childhood, place themselves at the heart of the partners family and become more a part of that family, than its birth members if you understand what I mean. Mary became more royal than the royals themselves. Its part of Mary's personality that she became devoted to the royal collection and its upkeep. But as consorts go, Mary was the perfect Queen Consort, devoted to her country and her duty. A lot like our present Queen. Her love for her children is harder for us to understand. Different times and with John, well I think she did what she was told would be best for him.

I like Queen Mary a lot, she is very interesting. She also left behind a great legacy the royal collection. She did not have an easy life loosing 3 sons in her own lifetime. But she never faltered in her duty to her husbands people.

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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2005, 06:24:01 AM »
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Queen Mary had a an upper class crisp ebglish accent. When she named the Queen Mary and not the Normandie, her voice was clear. She also spoke to the nation in a broadcast in 1940 during the dark days of the war. She had a rich voice and I am told that she no trace of german accent.

AF and Mary well I have never believed they got on to well. AF thought Mary a little common because of her marganatic blood, others words not mine. But as consorts go, Mary was the perfect Queen Consort, devoted to her country and her duty. A lot like our present Queen. Her love for her children is harder for us to understand. Different times and with John, well I think she did what she was told would be best for him.

I like Queen Mary a lot, she is very interesting. She also left behind a great legacy the royal collection. She did not have an easy life loosing 3 sons in her own lifetime. But she never faltered in her duty to her husbands people.

David Newell, London


Just as an aside, I read somewhere that Beatrice & Bertie both spoke with German accents (more pronounced in Beatrice.)
I would never have considered Alix a 'snob' about morganatic blood - QV certainly wasn't & Alix's upbringing both with the Queen & her own mother, would seem to contradict the notion that Alix might be (I have never read/seen any evidence of her having been a snobbish in that way.)
It is interesting that you should compare QM to our present Queen - I think they LOOK very alike particularly as the Queen grows older.
Yes, I have to agree QM was really a good Queen Consort in that she was devoted to her duty & performed all her duties with a regal bearing (much like QEII whom I DO like v. much.)


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« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2005, 07:10:01 AM »
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Queen Mary had a an upper class crisp ebglish accent. When she named the Queen Mary and not the Normandie, her voice was clear. She also spoke to the nation in a broadcast in 1940 during the dark days of the war. She had a rich voice and I am told that she no trace of german accent.

AF and Mary well I have never believed they got on to well. AF thought Mary a little common because of her marganatic blood, others words not mine. Also Mary was devoted to her husbands family and its history. Many who are on the outside of a family, and have had a difficult childhood, place themselves at the heart of the partners family and become more a part of that family, than its birth members if you understand what I mean. Mary became more royal than the royals themselves. Its part of Mary's personality that she became devoted to the royal collection and its upkeep. But as consorts go, Mary was the perfect Queen Consort, devoted to her country and her duty. A lot like our present Queen. Her love for her children is harder for us to understand. Different times and with John, well I think she did what she was told would be best for him.

I like Queen Mary a lot, she is very interesting. She also left behind a great legacy the royal collection. She did not have an easy life loosing 3 sons in her own lifetime. But she never faltered in her duty to her husbands people.

David Newell, London



Alix could NOT have been a sonb.  Do Not forget her sister VHM married a product of a less than 100% royal marriage.  QV and Alex much respected VMH's husband, Louis of Battenburg.
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« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2005, 07:31:32 AM »
Thank you David for that reassuring note about Mary's accent and thanks for the correction about the ship.  I agree with you about Mary's sense of duty and how she filled her role with such a sense of loyalty and service.   I think that she was someone that QEII modeled herself after in many respects.  

Bluetoria there is a rather mean spirited story in Count Beckendorf's book stating that Alix was impressed with titles and peerage.  The story goes that when Count Beckendorf was attached to the German Embassy in St. Petersburg that the Count and another man and their wives had to be present to recieve Princess Henry of Prussia.  They drove to a solitary railway station and managed to arrive just as the Nicky and Alix were arriving.  Then it was announced that the train would be an hour late.  He said that all six of them sat in the little waiting room and that he could not remember ever having had such trouble over a conversation, that is until Princess Henry arrived.  

Bernsdorf then said that he was at the time not aware of the GD Vladimir's advice.  The GD told him that family dinner parties were very tedious because of Alix's refusal to talk and that he had finally discovered a way of getting over the difficulty.  The GD would make a deliberate mistake while quoting the Almanach de Gotha and then the Empress would talk for an hour to put him right.

I think the story was mean spirited and we all know that Alix did not warm up to people that she did not precieve to be her friends, and that quite the opposite would happen when she was shown sympathy.  But anyway maybe she did hold May's imperfect past against her.  

It doesn't make any sense to me given Alix's views on marriage for her own daughters, but maybe when she was newly married without a mother or father to support and protect her, maybe she did cling to artificial means to gain a sense of importance.  The thing about Alix to me is that she had tremendous potential for change but died too young, died before she had really had a chance to mature as Ella did after Serge's assassination.        

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« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2005, 08:13:12 AM »
Perhaps she only spoke at great length about the Almanach de Gotha because it was something she knew a lot about, rather than for any sobbish reason. Her silence in the waiting room seems more like shyness, doesn't it?
As you say, she certainly didn't look down on Louis Battenberg & she had been a bridesmaid for Beatrice & Liko.

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« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2005, 05:41:52 PM »
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I like Queen Mary a lot, she is very interesting. She also left behind a great legacy the royal collection. She did not have an easy life loosing 3 sons in her own lifetime. But she never faltered in her duty to her husbands people.

David Newell, London


Yay! Someone else to help me defend Mary.  :)
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« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2005, 02:12:33 AM »
I have always been a great defender of AF as everyone on here knows. But I am afraid she could be a very difficult women and yes a snob. She treated Marie of Romaina badlt, as one would treat a naughty child. But I always look to her difficult childhood. Queen Victoria did her very best for Alice's children but I think AF always felt that she was entitled to more deference that she recieved even when Empress. There are conless stories of her being stiff unbending and following the strict proceedures of the court, when it suited her! She was known for her lofty attitudes towards her relatives. Small town princess, N0.2 in Darmstadt after Ducky, that must have stung. Her attitude to MF at the begining of her marriage caused her countless problems later, after all you get more with honey than you do with vinegar.

But I still hold her in great affection, because I too was raised with out parents travelling to relatives that could have me for a while. I undersatnd her lonliness when surrounded by people and I think lack of confidence at times. People thought her a strong person, but at times I don't think she was.

I hope this explaind last post.

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« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2005, 02:13:35 AM »
I have listened to QM broadcast and she really had not trace of German accent.

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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2005, 08:06:36 AM »
Dear Queen Mary adherents!  :) :)  (What do you make of these 2 tales which have just re-iced my gradual thawing towards her:
That when passing a group of orphaned children who were standing outside waiting for her to pass, but when she did, only stared at her, she is said to have said,
"Cheer, little idiots, can't you?"
Or again, when visiting the slums of London she asked an inhabitant, "Why do you live here?"  ???

In the same book is a funnier story of the short-sighted E.M. Forster bowing to the 'iced & many-tiered cake' at Lord Harewood's wedding because he mistook it for Queen Mary  ;D

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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2005, 12:00:15 AM »
Queen Mary could drop awful clangers from time  to time, as in that query to the slum dwellers. I suppose, however, that to her, reared in the Victorian tradition of sellf-improvement (even if her own family didn't exactly follow it! ;)), it was an honest, if simplistic, question. She probably thought that honest effort would lift them out of their poverty -  the same attitude is prevalent today in many quarters.
On the oft-discussed issue of children: she may, like Queen Victoria, simply not particularly have enjoyed or understood  their company. Not everyone does; the post-enlightenment cult of sentimentalising the child is just as inaccurate and harmful as it is to go to the other extreme. Victoria, for one, certainly thought so: she considered what she called 'baby-worship' in her daughters to be quite wrong. Queen Mary had to cope with occasional, explosive rages on the part of King George (as did Queen Mother Elizabeth with 'Bertie'), an irresponsible, somewhat embarrassing family of origin, and the presence of 'Motherdear' hovering over her 'Georgie-boy' - a difficult mix for anyone. Perhaps she just didn't have much emotion left over for children, faced as she was with doing the best she could in a very demanding job, and doing it rather well, too. Catherine the Great is another figure routinely pilloried  for her failure as a mother. I wonder: do male or female historians have a more difficult time with such women?

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« Reply #43 on: March 30, 2005, 04:21:51 AM »
Thanks for clarifying that, darius. Yes, indeed, poor Alexandra didn't age well, did she? In fact on many of her photographs I find it very hard to believe that she was only 46 when she died. Even on quite early ones when she was in her mid to late 30s, she looks at least 50. It must have been the result of so much stress & anxiety. It is a shame for someone who had been so beautiful when she was young.  

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« Reply #44 on: March 30, 2005, 05:54:01 PM »
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Thanks for clarifying that, darius. Yes, indeed, poor Alexandra didn't age well, did she? In fact on many of her photographs I find it very hard to believe that she was only 46 when she died. Even on quite early ones when she was in her mid to late 30s, she looks at least 50. It must have been the result of so much stress & anxiety. It is a shame for someone who had been so beautiful when she was young.  


Indeed, Alexandra had been a great beauty as a young woman. I think it was a shame she aged so bad, in the photos after Alexie's birth one can really see the change.

Queen Mary overall aged rather well although she was not as lovely as Alexandra has been in her youth, I think she was rather pretty in her own way.

In that photo of Queen Alexandra and Empress Alexandra I couldn't help but think that they could have been mother and daughter in law. How horrible would it have been if your mother in law looked better than you? oouch...