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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2005, 02:21:53 AM »
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Ha! And she (Marie) hated England! It's a wonder Alfred married her, but perhaps he only did so out of duty. Didn't he vow to have nothing more to do with her after his son's death? He didn't have long not to have any more to do with her anyway. England was about the best place for a royal to be. Maybe she realized that at the end, though she didn't die there. Unfortunately for her, she lived to see the fall of her country, and more deaths of her kin, not to mention great loss of much of her personal wealth.  


the edinburgh marriage was always a mystery to me... they defied queen victoria and tsar alexander to do it. and they didn't even love each other....  ???
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« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2005, 07:04:50 AM »
QV was certainly pushing Alfred to marry (her remedy for all erring princes!!) & who can say that they didn't love each other at first (in as much as it possible for any of the royalties to love someone they had met very few times & always chaperoned)? Perhaps Alfred was also a little enamoured of the glamour of Russian wealth.

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« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2005, 10:59:07 AM »
Yes, Alfred was probably attracted to the wealth she had. Wasn't she the wealthiest princess at the time? QV, wasn't appreciative of his choice and didn't attend the wedding, held in St. Petersberg. She had good horse sense in regard to Russia. It's a shame some in her family wasn't mindful of her good sense.

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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2005, 04:46:31 PM »
It's often been speculated that her tremendous wealth was a main attraction to Alfred. He may have finally been wanting to settle down--Queen Victoria had been at him for almost a decade. There could've also been some competition factors at work--QV worried Affie was attracted to Alix (who was being neglected by Bertie) and if you couldn't have the most beautiful princess, have the wealthiest; also Bertie never stood up to QV and Affie apparently enjoyed rebelling at this period, something his brother would never dare. It couldn't be easy being the 'Spare'.

As for Marie, Affie was at the peak of his looks then and cut a dashing image in his naval uniform. Marie probably hadn't had too much interaction with eligible males at that point either. I think there was also some scandal about her and an aide/footman/soldier someone but can't remember where I read it.  ???  

QV was pretty prescient in her foreboding towards marriages of her family with the Romanovs--they all ended in a disaster of some sort. Her aunt Julie (GDss Constantine) ended up divorced. Ella ended up in a complex (to say the least) childless marriage that was the subject of gossip for decades with a husband assassinated and herself executed. Alix had a happy marriage but her position as Empress doomed her. Affie & Marie weren't happy for very long. Even Ducky's marriage to Kyril ended in bitterness.
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« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2005, 05:16:38 PM »
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Even Ducky's marriage to Kyril ended in bitterness

How so? I thought he was her man.

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« Reply #95 on: June 16, 2005, 12:02:33 AM »
At the very end of their marriage, Ducky found out 'something' (it's never been said what) about Kyril that broke her heart. Her sister Missy recounts it and basically says that Ducky was unable to forgive Kyril for it. She died not too long after.  :(
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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2005, 12:08:21 PM »
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Affie & Marie weren't happy for very long.


I do not think Marie & Affie could have been happy married to anyone period.  I think this was a deal like King Carol I and Queen Elizabth of Romania.  They both received what they wanted - Wealth & Position- then settled in to make the best of it.

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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #97 on: July 07, 2005, 07:38:30 AM »
I have a question.  Would Elizabeth have become ruler of Hesse, provided she lived and her father didn't remarry?  Then again, Would Ernie have remarried at all knowing he already had a child to put on the throne?

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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #98 on: July 07, 2005, 08:28:14 AM »
no, elisabeth would not rule due to the salic law which bars woman from ascending the throne.  
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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #99 on: July 28, 2005, 08:59:24 AM »
With her cousins, Olga and Tatiana in 1901..................


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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #100 on: July 30, 2005, 04:06:39 PM »
Thomas, I think you are correct that it is Hemmelmark.  The photo is from the book, "The Jewel Album of Nicholas II" by Solodkoff.  Although it is mostly watercolors by Nicholas of his personal jewelry, there is a section of family photos, many taken from the private albums of Princess Irene.

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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #101 on: September 10, 2005, 08:50:50 PM »
The quality is abysmal, but here's another photo of Elizabeth with Olga & Tatiana (she's wearing the dark jacket):

(from Six Years at the Russian Court, by Margaret Eagar)
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« Reply #102 on: September 10, 2005, 08:57:33 PM »
Thank you so much for that photo!!  The only two pictures I have seen of Elizabeth with Olga and Tatiana are two sittings of her in a chair with them standing around her.  It is so nice to see something else.  If anyone has other photos of Elizabeth with her cousins, besides the ones I described, please post them!

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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2005, 07:16:56 AM »
Elizabeth of Hesse looks so much older than Olga and Tatiana.  How much older was Elizabeth of Hesse?

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Re: Elizabeth (daughter of Ernie)
« Reply #104 on: September 11, 2005, 07:23:00 AM »
Elisabeth was only some months elder than Olga