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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #390 on: February 17, 2012, 05:42:18 PM »
Some comments:
The Tobolsk guard force was made up of men from the 1st,2nd, and 4th Guards Rifle regiments. The Guards rifle Brigade consisted of 4 Guards Rifle regiments numbered 1 to 4 each of 2 Battalions. In the book "Nicholas and Alexandra they call them "Sharpshooter Guards regiments'. I believe the terms Sharpshooter and rifle/rifleman are about the same in some European armies.  It should be remembered do to order Number 1 which destroyed disicpline in the Russian army Colonel Kobylivsky did not have much control over his troops. It was a meeting of the soldiers council of the men of the 2nd Rifle Regiment that forbid the officers to wear epaulets/pogani. i believe it was in Febuary 1918 is when Nicholas was forced to stop wearing his. So any outdoor photo of him during this period with him wearing them is before this date.
 # 90 the painting of Yakovlev with NAM. I believe i read somewhere that Alexandra and possibly maria were wear lambskin coats during this trip. It also looks like it has maria wearing a pearl necklace? and a brimed hat. Which i don't think was really suitable headgear for the trip she just went through. Maria also I believe was about the same height as her parents 5'7"at this time.
#284 1st photo man on the extreme right wearing a sword is wearing a "French" Tunic that was popular with Russian Army officers during WW I. So I think he is an officer.
#295 the soldier with the sword is most likely an officer it looks like he is wearing epaulets.
See the book "The Russian Army 1914-1918" Nik Cornish by osprey for the Russian army uniform and organization details

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #391 on: February 17, 2012, 05:59:00 PM »
According to the book "Harvest of Sorrow" in 1921 there was a peasant revolt in Siberia during which the town of Toblosk was captured by them for awhile. if the IF mug shots and any other evidence of them were still around they probably would have been destroyed at this time.

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #392 on: August 03, 2012, 02:36:01 AM »
                 

Nicholas cutting wood in Tobolsk..... I have no idea who is with him here, but it seems everyone took a turn!   

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« Reply #393 on: August 03, 2012, 02:07:23 PM »
Tis a puzzlement indeed.

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« Reply #394 on: August 03, 2012, 03:41:20 PM »
I have no idea either! But thanks for posting the photo.

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« Reply #395 on: August 03, 2012, 03:46:41 PM »
And he must be tiny! Nicholas was all of 5'7'' and yet he towers over this little fellow...
Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right...

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #396 on: August 03, 2012, 04:29:32 PM »
And he must be tiny! Nicholas was all of 5'7'' and yet he towers over this little fellow...
Good point. I'd almost say the little guy is standing at a lower leavel some how...his out fit might identity him
, that is his task in life . He's a laborer of some sort .  I just noticed there are ladders going  from the green house to the
top of the main house . It easily could be about pushing snow of the roofs

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« Reply #397 on: August 03, 2012, 04:39:12 PM »
Could it be Alexei's friend? Just a guess,.

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« Reply #398 on: August 03, 2012, 04:49:38 PM »
That is a possibilty. Looking at the photo again, the person does look rather young to be honest....

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« Reply #399 on: August 03, 2012, 04:52:53 PM »
And he must be tiny! Nicholas was all of 5'7'' and yet he towers over this little fellow...
Good point. I'd almost say the little guy is standing at a lower leavel some how...his out fit might identity him
, that is his task in life . He's a laborer of some sort .  I just noticed there are ladders going  from the green house to the
top of the main house . It easily could be about pushing snow of the roofs

 IMO, the person to the right appears to be standing at a somewhat lower level as his dark booted (including the left boot strap or boot/pants top roll) leg can be seen at the lower right.  AP.
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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #400 on: August 03, 2012, 05:28:52 PM »
I IMO, the person to the right appears to be standing at a somewhat lower level as his dark booted (including the left boot strap or boot/pants top roll) leg can be seen at the lower right.  AP.
  agree with that . His feet go way past the bottom of the saw horse ,as if Nicholas and the sawhorse are on a slight rise...I think the fellow has a beard and so is much older than Alexi's friend. Actually changing the level of the saw horse would be a clever way to accommodate all the diffrent sizes of the sawing partners Nicholas went though

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #401 on: August 03, 2012, 06:14:28 PM »
I think I read somewhere it was Catherine Schneider in this photo, but I might be mistaken. It is a lady anyway, with her hair done up in a bun and wearing a skirt.

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« Reply #402 on: August 03, 2012, 06:41:34 PM »
My second thoughts as well Grigory. There were  women in Tobolsk who  might have particpated in this excersise. Even Demidova.  Schneider, I would have to look up. But, could well be.

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« Reply #403 on: August 04, 2012, 09:14:45 AM »
I see a beard, but that  could be the lighting. The the hat/hair is the biggest selling point for me that it's a lady. If the figure was at the same level as Nicholas,( who still has his shoulder boards. )  I think they would be too tall to be Schneider. Perhaps the sawhorse is  at a different level to help with thier back . There would certainly be less strain on a person's  back this way.  I remember reading in one of the girl's letters when the family was separated that  Schneider and Gillard cut wood  so bathwater for Alexis could be heated . So Catherine Schneider was definitely out there sawing ...seems everyone was ! But she would always do what was needed. 

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« Reply #404 on: August 04, 2012, 11:36:54 AM »
It looks to me as if this person has a beard! if you look closely quite a full one too. The ground also appears to be lower the side they are standing than where the Tsar is, the bottom of this person's boot is much lower than Nicholas's so the height difference maybe down to that as stated. My money is on this being a chap, what with the beard, LOL.

Great rare picture again Anne, thanks for posting it.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2012, 11:40:20 AM by Vanya Ivanova »