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Offline KarinK

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #510 on: September 06, 2014, 06:10:00 AM »
I don't know the original source, but this photo was labeled 1917 when I saved it. Does anyone know if that's a confirmed date?



Though details can't be seen in the new rare, Alexei has a pale belt in both photos.

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #511 on: September 06, 2014, 08:09:03 AM »
Karin, it comes from the same period, since it is in 1917 captivity album. So March/April 1917. You can also see Nagorny (maybe even Tsar and Derevenko) in the background. Also, he was wearing the same white belt, as you have noticed.

Also the photos of Aleksei sitting in the chair surrounded by the ice and with his father in front of AP also was taken at the same period.


(The first one definitely was taken in 1917 at Ts. Selo).
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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #512 on: October 03, 2014, 06:24:18 AM »
This is obivously a well-known photo, but I have never seen it in this size. Can anyone identify the woman on the far left? Could it be barones Buxhoeveden?


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« Reply #513 on: October 03, 2014, 07:23:38 AM »
Looks more like countess Hendrikova to me, but it's difficult to say.
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« Reply #514 on: October 03, 2014, 10:31:23 AM »
Yes, much more like A  Hendrikova than Sophie B.
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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #515 on: December 25, 2014, 01:31:04 PM »
Here are the last known photos of four of the imperial children, taken aboard the Rus:

Alexei & Olga



Tatiana (facing the camera on the left, by the window) & Anastasia

These photos , while unimaginably precious, are hard to take. Because of the looks on thier faces of course, but also when
one compares them to the river of beautiful images that came before. These scratchy, poor images
make it seem like the family are already fading out , like a signal poorly received . What I'm trying to say is the photos themselves
are symbolic of the situation and heart breaking

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1251.msg98987#msg98987
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1251.msg408623#msg408623

Concerning the last photograph of Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna and Tsarevich Alexis Nicholaevich, taken on the steamer Rus during the journey between Tobolsk and Tiumen in May 1918.

In an appendix to the Russian book on Sydney Gibbs, Nastavnik, the editor devotes the first part of the Appendix (pp. 504-515) to refuting the speculations contained in FOTR as to what happened on board.

For more on that new book, see:
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=1251.msg536665#msg536665

Pierre Gilliard and other members of the suite and servants who were on the Rus with the Imperial children note in their various memoirs that they boarded the steamer at 11:30 AM on May 7/20, but set sail only at 5 PM. They also write that the steamer docked in Tiumen on the following morning, May 8/21. Volkov even states that they arrived at 8 AM.

As the editor of Nastavnik points out, that photograph of Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna was first published in Trewin’s book (1975) on Sydney Gibbs (p. 103), where the caption reads: “Alexis and Olga on board the Rus at the beginning of their last journey” [emphasis mine, I.N.].

Thus it has been demonstrated that that now-famous photograph was taken on the Imperial children’s first day on board the Rus (i.e., before nightfall), and not on “the following day” as reported in FOTR (p. 141).

Obviously, too much has been read into that particular photograph. The editor of Nastavnik rightly states that Grand Duchess Olga Nicholaevna’s mood, as caught in that photograph, is explained quite well by Baroness Sophia Buxhoeveden in her book Left Behind, (p. 69):

“…Olga Nicolaevna had also greatly changed. The suspense and anxiety of her parents' absence, and the responsibility she bore when left as head of the house with her sick brother to look after, had changed the lovely, bright girl of twenty-two into a faded and sad middle-aged woman. She was the only one of the young girls who acutely realised the danger that their parents were in…”


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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #516 on: December 31, 2014, 04:20:53 PM »
In the last photo of Anastasia and Tatania the older woman on the right is probably Schneider but who are the other 3 women in the picture. I don't think Olga was one note her brimmed hat so this leaves:
Hendrikova
Buxhoeveden
Ersberg
Tegleva
Tutelburg
Pauline Mejantz Hendrikova's maid
Katia
Masha Schneider's maids
I would guess since the picture isn't all that clear that probably Hendrikova or Buxoeveden or both might be in the picture and the other one or two are servants.
I hope this is of some interest.

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #517 on: December 31, 2014, 10:07:18 PM »
I agree that the older woman at the right is Trina Schneider. The woman in left foreground is somewhat like Olga.Note the patterned coat similar to top photo, the hat and pearl-like earrings. Also , in front of her is some sort of handbag/valise similar to that between Anastasia and Tatiana.

And, could this be thus considered the "Grand Duchess" table?

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #518 on: January 06, 2015, 06:12:54 PM »
Thanks for pointing this out RG. I don't think anyone noticed this before. It could be olga. As for the other two I would guess Hendrikova and Buxhoeveden. Both the other women are wearing turban like hats and there are pictures of them wearing turban like hats. I am not sure if the maids could afford hats like this. Also from the Bolshevik view point any woman found wearing a hat was a "bourgeois"

As for reply 512 I also think the woman on the left could be Hendrikova there are other pictures of her that day wearing a black dress like this woman has on.

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #519 on: January 07, 2015, 04:51:09 PM »
Yes, well spotted.  I have looked at those photos for over 30 years - never noticed that this is almost certainly Olga before......

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #520 on: February 04, 2015, 11:30:50 AM »
Tatiana and Anastasia at Tsarskoe Selo park, spring 1917



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« Reply #521 on: February 24, 2015, 06:13:23 AM »
Despite being in captivity at this point, they look happy.
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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #522 on: March 19, 2015, 05:22:10 AM »
Despite being in captivity at this point, they look happy.

Well, their captivity by this point was not really harsh. They were young people who just recovered from bad illness, and probably believed they would be eventually, possibly very soon, released, either to go to England or Crimea. Tatiana, Maria and Anastasia were apparently cheerful even in the Ipatiev house.

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Re: Captivity photo's
« Reply #523 on: April 08, 2015, 02:53:07 PM »
This goes with the better known  photo of TN and Alexis taken at the same time... Wonderful photo. The girls  also are feeling better after  just surviving  a grave illness.. which may count for the smiles too .

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« Reply #524 on: April 09, 2015, 10:17:35 PM »
Tatiana and Anastasia at Tsarskoe Selo park, spring 1917

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