Captivity photo's

[JamesAPrattIII]

In the section dealing with servants ect on the posting of Anna D there is a picture of either Anna D or Alexandra with 3 of the daughters which looks like it was taken in the later part of 1917. It looks like it might be cold out because the Anna d or Alexandra in the picture has a coat on. This is either the last picture of Alexandra or Anna D it from the book "File on the Tsar" and was most likely taken by Gibbes.

I think the last picture of Nicholas is one of the pictures posted in this section of Nicholas outside with snow on the ground at tobolsk. This does date it to the late 1917/early 1918 period. From what I have read the cold did not bother him which is why he is running around outside without a coat on.

I hope this is of help

[Rodney_G.]

Top photo L to R : Olga, Anastasia, Maria, Tatiana.
Bottom pic: OTMA order.

Thanks, Georgiy. I do believe you're right.

[Ally Kumari]

This one appeared on tumblr today - Anastasia and Tatiana

[nena]

That one actually appeared on the Alexander Palace Time Machine Forum yesterday, posted in 'Rare Pictures XIII' at first.

Grand Duchesses Anastasia and Tatiana, Tsarskoe Selo, spring of 1917:



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For me, this is extremly rare, I have never seen it before.

Here's one more:

Tsraevich Alexei with his father, a boy or a soldier (Kolia Derevenko?), K. Nagorny and diadka Derevenko breaking the ice, late winter/early spring of 1917, Tsarskoe Selo:


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Also extremly rare to me. I have never seen it before.

[Ally Kumari]

That one actually appeared on the Alexander Palace Time Machine Forum yesterday, posted in 'Rare Pictures XIII' at first.

Oh I am sorry! I did not look there as yet. Thank you for sharing it with us Nena!

[nena]

No worries. ;-) I am glad you like it. :-)

Grand Duchess Tatiana Nichoalievna, spring of 1917, Ts. Selo:

[KarinK]

It's great to see so many new photos!

Tsraevich Alexei with his father, a boy or a soldier (Kolia Derevenko?), K. Nagorny and diadka Derevenko breaking the ice, late winter/early spring of 1917, Tsarskoe Selo:

This is interesting. It was taken after the revolution, and Derevenko is still there. I've wondered what really happened with him since there are conflicting reports.

[KarinK]

Nicholas and Maria, 1917. Larger than the versions I had before.

[nena]

The long-bearded man in the center back is valet T.I. Chemodurov (with an axe in the hands), who went with the IF into the exile at Tobolsk. ;-)

[Rodney_G.]

Excellent identification of Chemodurov, Nena Few, including me, wlould have recognized him.

[Rodney_G.]

It's great to see so many new photos!

Tsraevich Alexei with his father, a boy or a soldier (Kolia Derevenko?), K. Nagorny and diadka Derevenko breaking the ice, late winter/early spring of 1917, Tsarskoe Selo:

This is interesting. It was taken after the revolution, and Derevenko is still there. I've wondered what really happened with him since there are conflicting reports.

Yes, assuming the photo is truly post-revolution ,this is an important find, as Derevenko was thought to have abandoned the IF then (although  on exactly what day it is hard to know) . Clearly this photo indicates otherwise.

Plus, this is the only photo I've ever seen showing both dyadki, Nagorny AND Derenenko,on duty, or at least on the scene, at the same time.
Very rare photo, though perhaps it shouldn't be.

[nena]

Good eye, Rodney and Karin. I noticed Derevenko but it never came to my mind to wonder how possible that he was in the photo with the Tsar and Tsarevich even in early 1917 when the photo was taken.

There is one more of both diadka's with the Heir I am aware of, also breaking the ice:


(The man on the left is believed to be Nagorny. I personally believe he is, since the mark says "K.H", in English "K.N" - Klement Nagorniy). I don't know when this one was taken , sometime during the war but I am almost certain that the place is Ts. Selo. There is a man behind Nagorny, I believe the Tsar himself.

One of the Grand Duchesses (most likely Anastasia or Tatiana), gardering, Ts. Selo, spring of 1917:

[Sarushka]

This is interesting. It was taken after the revolution, and Derevenko is still there. I've wondered what really happened with him since there are conflicting reports.

Smart observation.

Since Vyrubova appears to be the sole witness to Derevenko's "betrayal," it would have had to have happened before Vyrubova was removed from the palace on 21 March/3 April.  Nicholas's diary would probably tell us what day the family began breaking up ice on the canals — if it was after 21 March/3 April, then I think we can dismiss Vyrubova's claim regarding Derevenko's behavior.

[Ikalgo]

From the chapter about captivity at Tsarskoye in Gilliard's memoirs:

"Sunday, April 15th, Easter Day - We went out for the first time with Aleksey Nicolaievich on the terrace in front of the palace. A superb spring day.

...
On the following day, as the weather was still very fine, we went out into the park, where we are now allowed to take the air, followed by officers of the guard and sentries.

Wishing to take a little physical exercise, we amused ourselves by clearing the sluices of the pond of the ice which was blocking them."

If Alexei hadn't even been outside before then, I guess that's that.

[nena]

Nicholas II' diary, April 1st, Saturday (Old Style):

'' ...During the day, we began breaking the ice near the bridge; Tatiana, Valya and Nagorny worked..." He mentioned breaking the ice almost the whole April. So the official begining of breaking the ice would be April 1st 1917, since he wrote 'today we began breaking the ice...'. The word 'ice' (Russian: led) is also mentioned on 3rd, 4th, 6th, 9th 23rd and 24th April. I found  the Tsar's entry on Anna Vyrubova's arrest , it is 21 March and he afterwards mentions breaking the ice for the first time, on April 1st.

The name 'Derevenko' is mentioned only twice, in August and September and is reffered to the surgeon Vladimir Nikolaevich Derevenko and his son Kolya.

Also, we should believe that breaking the ice hadn't begun before April 1st. So, the photo was taken after 21 March (OS).

Nicholas's diary would probably tell us what day the family began breaking up ice on the canals — if it was after 21 March/3 April, then I think we can dismiss Vyrubova's claim regarding Derevenko's behavior.