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Eric_Lowe

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2009, 12:31:35 PM »
yes, Caroline Augusta (or Auguste) was the half-sister of Archduchess Sophie. After the assension of Franz Josef, the Dowager Empress was "exiled" to Salzburg. She made a few pleas to come back to Vienna to see her stepchildren, but Sophie made sure she only visited the captial rarely. It was a mean gesture to a sister. As a result, Caroline Augusta became friends with Sisi and became her champion whenever she could help the young empress.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2009, 12:41:45 PM »
Dear, I like Sophie even less now....

Not that I had such a high esteem of her before,
of course all she did was for the Empire,
but she went too far in my opinion....

Now, not liking Sisi is one thing,
to deny her sister to visit the capitol, or to see her stepchildren, is terrible.
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2009, 04:02:19 PM »
Well...It is complicated. Empress Caroline Augusta arranged the marriage of her half-sister to the second son of Emperor Franz. Sophie did not want to marry him but forced by her mother to do so. Perhaps Sophie kept a grudge against her half-sister for that. However once there, Caroline Augusta guided her half-sister through the pitfalls of living in the Hapsburg Family. The two sisters could be seen painting togather and plan for excusions in the countryside. However once her son became emperor, she found out that she wished to be no.1 and having a half-sister that out ranked her is no fun. She exiled her with her brother-in-law (the abdicated Emperor Ferdinand and his Empress) to Salzburg. Dowager Empress Caroline Augusta made the best of the situation and created many charitable organisation in Salzburg. However she did miss her stepchildren (some of them were long term invilades) and hoped to visit them often. She wrote to the Emperor for permission to come to Vienna for visits, Archduchess Sophie however rarely allow her that opportunity. In one book about Franz Josef, a letter of reply to the elderly Empress was changed from mild regret (The Emperor was fond of his step grandmother) to a hard refusal (changed by Archduchess Sophie). The marriage of Sisi to Franz Josef was one of the few times Caroline Augusta was allowed to visit Vienna. The story was she was looking at the wedding gifts when her lace mantilla cought the bejewelled crown of Sisi and sent it crashing to the ground. The elderly empress at once crossed herself, but it became a badomen for the marriage.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2009, 06:12:55 PM »
Quote from: Marc on March 09, 2009, 07:33:31 AM
Empress Caroline Augusta and Charlotte Augusta is the same person,born Princess of Bavaria and 4th wife of Emperor Franz II...She was firstly married to Crown Prince of Wuerttemberg,but as far as I know when she married Franz she changed her name from Caroline Augusta to Charlotte Augusta or something like that and was often known as Empress Augusta...

It was just the other way round: Her name was Charlotte Auguste and when she married Franz her official name became Caroline Auguste - Caroline in honour of her beloved step-mother Caroline von Baden. Her sisters however still called her "Charlotte" as you can see in some letters.

As far as I know no one ever called her "Auguste/a". That was just her second name.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2009, 06:31:09 PM »
Thank you very much MarieCharlotte for clarifying this rather confusing issue. I hope people will be a little more careful and accurate in their posts, as it can lead to just this type of issue!  Anyway thanks again!

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2009, 11:43:48 AM »




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« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2009, 03:03:41 PM »
More fantasy and propaganda portraits. Vienna did not finch in churning out these images while the Empres went aboard, alone...
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« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2009, 03:50:56 PM »
Empress Elisabeth's statue in Corfu



Imperial couple on photos by Ludwig Angerer around 1860



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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2009, 04:02:22 PM »
Does anyone has this one without mark?¨This is far one of the prettiest portraits of Sissi i ve ever seen



I love this one!



Im also looking for this one without mark

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2009, 04:28:56 PM »
There are from the archievs.
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2009, 07:08:52 PM »
eh...yeah..i already knew that  ::)
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« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2009, 07:14:37 PM »
That is why they have water marks. They are all drawings though...
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2009, 07:29:03 PM »
Eric...i already knew that .Where do you think i found those pictures?  ::)

I was just asking if there was a version without those marks. Thats all.

Sissi s deathmask

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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2009, 11:27:02 PM »
The marble/alabaster likeness is ethereal...quite beautiful...I had no idea Sissi had such a pronounced cleft in her chin!!!!  Katenka I am sorry not to be able to help further apropos of some very unhelpful comments made by one amongst us about watermarks etc...but, I shall have a root around and see what I can find for you!
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Re: Empress Elisabeth, Part III
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2009, 06:15:05 AM »
Quote from: Katenka_Fyodorovna on March 14, 2009, 07:29:03 PM
I was just asking if there was a version without those marks. Thats all.

Katenka since they have been posted look in the first thread about her...if they are not deleted  ::)
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