Author Topic: Olga's crushes: Pavel Voronov, Dmitri Shakh-Bagov, Nikolai, N.P., AKSH, dear S, etc.  (Read 216923 times)

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hikaru

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This is the letter of 1909. Written in Livadia.
I think that Feofan is spiritual father of Nicholas, and, maybe, the family.
I know that Feofan was the spiritual father of Nicholas since Nicholas  was a Heir.
But I do not know about his family name.
What you, matushka, know about Feofan?

matushka

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Hikaru, some informations from my memory, then I will chek some documents! As far as I remember, Feofan (Bystrov), bishop of Poltava was one of the rare bright and deeply spitirual bishops of the pre-revolution period. He was rector of the Saint-Petersburg academie and it was him who received Rasputin for the first time hwn he came from Kazan to Peterburg. Grigory Efimovich made a good impression on him, and Feofan, who was spiritual director of Nicolas (but also Alexandra, I think), presented him to some members of the Romanov's family. Then, I think in 1911 he understood his deep error and frankly told it, but it was too late and he felt his responsability as a spiritual director. He became closer to Elisabeth Feodorovna. He was at that time already rector of the Moscow Academie and bishop of Poltava. He was a friend of the famous philosoph Pavel Florensky. After the revolution, he came to France and lived in an eremetic (ochelnichesky) way of life in a grot (peshcher') near the river Loire. He died there and is buried in this little village of Limeray. He wrote also some books, I remember one related to the theological problem of the Name of God, after the troubles at the Mount Athos. I think he was canonized, but I am not sure. Some call him Feofan Novy Zatvornik.
Well, that is what I remember. Tomorrow after the service I will search about him and will see that I made a lot of enormous errors...

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Good Day Matushka,

I'm sitting here, with my jaw dropped open down to my small toes ! This is all because of the poem shared from Hiraku, and on the poem of GD Olga Nikolaevna's first love.

I know my daughter understands Russian, thank goodness. But for years, she also gave me the notion that she could not understand it. One day, her dad was speaking to his mother thru the speaker phone. My russian is not so good, so I said half under my breath, 'gee, I wish i knew what they were speaking about'. Our daughter then turned to me, and then began to quote verbatim what the conversation was about. I was more than startled.

Yesterday, for some reason I called her over to the computer and said I need you assistance to help me. I was on the exact thread and page wherein, anyone could look at the screen and see what was on it. She looked at the poem, and turned to me, and started to translate the poem. Oh boy, I was more than plesantly surprised. I had no idea that she had made application of herself to not only speak, but understand, and learn to read russian. God be praised.

For me, the last part was in deed a miracle, and that much more brought to light by a dear grand duchess's letter over 80 years ago.

I'm very proud and happy. Natasha I can say, is fluent in Russian, Armenian, English, + three years of Spanish, plus learning a bit of Tagalo. Why should I not be surprised, her dad does quiet well with about 5, and Uncles and Aunt's, Grandparent's are also do well in languages.

But, she only had formal training in three, sorry four.The Russian she has done by herself, very quietly.

Didn't mean to bore you, but just had to express my sheer delight at our daughter's accomplishment(s) and care to follow through on both sides of her family's heritage, and language.

Miracles never cease, do they.

God Bless.

Tatiana

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Hikaru, some informations from my memory, then I will chek some documents! As far as I remember, Feofan (Bystrov), bishop of Poltava was one of the rare bright and deeply spitirual bishops of the pre-revolution period. He was rector of the Saint-Petersburg academie and it was him who received Rasputin for the first time hwn he came from Kazan to Peterburg. Grigory Efimovich made a good impression on him, and Feofan, who was spiritual director of Nicolas (but also Alexandra, I think), presented him to some members of the Romanov's family. Then, I think in 1911 he understood his deep error and frankly told it, but it was too late and he felt his responsability as a spiritual director. He became closer to Elisabeth Feodorovna. He was at that time already rector of the Moscow Academie and bishop of Poltava. He was a friend of the famous philosoph Pavel Florensky. After the revolution, he came to France and lived in an eremetic (ochelnichesky) way of life in a grot (peshcher') near the river Loire. He died there and is buried in this little village of Limeray. He wrote also some books, I remember one related to the theological problem of the Name of God, after the troubles at the Mount Athos. I think he was canonized, but I am not sure. Some call him Feofan Novy Zatvornik.
Well, that is what I remember. Tomorrow after the service I will search about him and will see that I made a lot of enormous errors...


hikaru

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I have found in the catalogue of the GARF's exhibition about balls 2 letters from Olga to ..... Olga Konstantinovna Voronova, wife of her S.:

1. Tsarskoe Selo
1914 25 th August

Cheer Olga!
By herewith I send to both of your those small icons.
I wish God to save Your husband as well as You , dear mine ,
Kiss you strongly
Yours Olga

Russian original:
Milaya Olga!
Posylayu Vam oboim eti obrazki. Gospody da sokhranit Vashego muza i Vas , dorogaya moya. Krepko tseluyu.
Vasha Olga

hikaru

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2. Second Letter
28th December 1914 Ts.S. (i.e. tsarskoe selo)

Olga, cheerful mine
I congratulate Your from all my heart with birthday of Yours husband.  I pray the God to send him happiness as well as to save him in such hard time.

Russian original:
Olyga, milaya moya!
Pozdravlyayu Vas ot vsey dushi dnyom rozdeniya vashego muza. Poshli emu gospody vo vsyom schastya i da khranit ego v eto tyazoloe vremya.

SO, Olga was a very brave woman.
She was trying to say that " I am still thinking about Your husband"


Janet_W.

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Thank you, Hikaru. Through the kindness of another AP member who has since stopped posting, I am aware of Olga Nicholievna's association and correspondence with Olga Voronov, though you have reproduced some notes I was not aware of.  

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Does anyone have or no about any pictures of Olga or her sisters with her royal "suitors ie Carl of Romania ?
thanks for all the info and pictures about GDOlga's crushes

Victoria

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There are a couple group pictures of the whole family in Rumania. Do you mean those?

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There are a couple group pictures of the whole family in Rumania. Do you mean those?

Here they are:

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One year ago, I spoke about Shah-Bagov, this young officer from the Erivantsev Olga found very pleasant. I have thougt those days about such a possibility and found today (as, I think the others users who had the pleasure to read this book) the confirmation of this hypothesis in "Sisters of mercy". The mysterious Mitia she spoke about in her diary is indeed Shah-Bagov, born the 24 of february 1893. I am glad that the "Mitia's enigma" is resolved. Shall we start a new thread about this?

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Please do, Matushka, and thank you!

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In Olga's diaries for the years 1915-1917, we meet almost every time the name of Mitia, a young wounded officier she liked very much. Who was he? I will try to give some informations, perhaps will someone complete them.
Dmitri Shah-Bagov was born the 9th of Februry 1893. He was a Caucasian guy, perhaps from Georgia, I do not know exactly. He was an orthodox believer. He was an officier (praporshik, I think it is a brigadier in english?) of the Erevan's Regiment (Tsar Mihail Fedorovich's grenadiers). He was a little man. At time of the WW1 he was wounded 2 time and stayed quite a long wile at the lazaret where ON was working. He arrived in pring 1915, and they saw each other for the last time the 27 december 1916. Olga remarked him very quickly as a "sweet", pleasant young man. In her diary, she noticed every meeting, every time they spoke or played together. She telephoned him almost every evening, and was used to chat with him. Her sister Tatiana was part of those evening's telephone conversation. Olga and Tatiana wrote every in their diaries who they made the pansement. When ON made pansement to "Mitia", she explained what she did exactly (a bath for his leg, pansement...) When TN was in charge of his pansement, she noticed it also. At the beginning, their feeling are sweets, not more. With the time, especially after he went, her feeling are becoming more deeper. She needs to see him, she is waiting. When his is back, she fells great joy. She noticed every telegramm someone became from him, she noticed every anniversary (one year ago, he came hier, one year ago, he was leaved us for the first time...). She noticed every meeting with Mitia's mother, "a part of him".
The last months of 1916, however, came in the lazaret the young cornet Kassianov, "a very beautiful guy", as wrote Tatiana to her father. He had in common with Olga Nikolaevna a great love and talent for music, played the violin and sang. He did not took Mitia's place in Olga's thoughs. But she was not so busy with him.
What could we say about this relationship? It is the relationship of two loving people who know for sure they would neve marry each other. It was a poetic relationship, already deep, but clear. I would say also that Olga, as wrote Chebotareva, was seriously attached to him, as her diary relates us. But it seems to me that she found in him what every girl, daugher of tsar or daugher of mujik needs: to have the sensation she loves someone and someone loves her.
In an other post, a little bit later, I will try to quote all the diary entries

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Thanks for posting this. I always like to read about Olga and what she was like, emerging from the shadows of history, because there is so much of what she was like, yet so little information sometimes. I think she enjoyed these relationships, but that she would have married equally in the end. She knew her position, but maybe if that marriage had ended early, for whatever reason, maybe she would have married for love the second time around. She kind of had that temprament. But, Olga was young and enjoyed these kinds of flirtations when young.

Janet_W.

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Matushka, thank you very much for your post and the interesting information. We look forward to those diary entries!

Also, could you verify if Chebotareva is your primary (or sole) source for the information you are posting? Many thanks! 

matushka

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Dear Janet, I have 3 sources: first of all Olga's diary's entries for those years, published in russian in the book "Sisters of mercy", second the Chebotareva's diary (I already quote the entries about Mitia last year) and the memories of officer Pavlov (I also quoted them, but will repeat my post as soon as possible!)
I wish I can found some minutes to quote Olga's diary. I will try, it is not so easy with 2 little children and translations!