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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2006, 11:16:34 PM »
This certainly would partially explain Nicholas II's poor dental health. I've just got to wonder how bad Edward VII's teeth were?

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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2006, 06:35:20 PM »
Of course, Tsarist Russia had no idea of the dangers we now know result from cancer-sticks.  But maybe this is where they got the name "NICK-otine"!  (Sorry, sick joke!)


Natalya, I'm not sure what knowledge about the harmful effects of smoking existed in Tsarist Russia in Nicholas II's time, but there was evidence earlier than this that doctors knew smoking was harmful to the health.  Dr. Alfred Fripp, the personal doctor of Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, stated that he had cut his patient down to "three cigarettes and one cigar" per day, so fearful was he that the Duke's constant smoking "would exert a prejucidial effect on the brain".

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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #77 on: September 10, 2006, 03:20:17 PM »
well Queen Elizabeth II's father smoked constantly and he died a very early age beacuse of it.
Being a doctor didn't Dr. Botkin ever tell him about his obsession?
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« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2006, 05:18:52 PM »
I don't know how frank Botkin was with Nicholas -- perhaps he didn't particularly advise at all -- just treated.

On the other hand, perhaps Nicholas was told and ignored it -- like the millions of others throughout the world now who continue smoke, though they know the downsides.  :(

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« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2006, 08:26:38 AM »
On the other hand, perhaps Nicholas was told and ignored it -- like the millions of others throughout the world now who continue smoke, though they know the downsides.  :(

Entirely possible, given Nicholas's feelings about the dentist! ;)
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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2006, 09:32:37 PM »
what were his feelings about the dentist?
i know when they found Alix's body they editified her beacuse of her teeth? but i could be wrong!

know that i mention it, every picture know i see him he is smoking!
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« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2006, 01:02:46 AM »
what were his feelings about the dentist?
i know when they found Alix's body they editified her beacuse of her teeth? but i could be wrong!

know that i mention it, every picture know i see him he is smoking!

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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2006, 08:43:32 AM »
They didn't know smoking was bad for you then, so many people did smoke. Even today, of course, people still smoke, knowingly. Smoking was regarded as a bit socially scandoulous for women, but not unhealthy.

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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #83 on: September 23, 2006, 11:25:40 AM »
aw thanks for the link grace!

yes.. oh scandoulous!

did alexandra smoke? i don't think she did.
but Olga and Anastasia i'v seen smoking, but what would influence them, besides their father.
maybe the war?
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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #84 on: September 23, 2006, 12:08:17 PM »
Alix smoked when she was alone (French cigarettes I think), but she stopped bout 1914 (she writte it to Nicholas)...

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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #85 on: September 23, 2006, 03:38:48 PM »
really?
oh thanks!
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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #86 on: September 25, 2006, 12:37:05 PM »
The small Russian museum in San Francisco has cigerate holders that once belonged to Nicholas II. 

I believe one of the executioner had a  keepsakes of Nicholas II which was one of his cigerate holders which was slightly different than the usual kind used.

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« Reply #87 on: September 30, 2006, 02:03:07 PM »
really!?
thanks so much
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Re: Nicholas II's Favorite Things
« Reply #88 on: March 15, 2007, 12:01:52 PM »
As I know, Nikolai had a weird smoking habit; people connect it with his very nervous personality. After dinner, he lights a cigarette smokes it half way and put it out, then lights an another cig and smokes it all the way.
It used to be a tradition in Russia to gentleman smoke after dinner.
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« Reply #89 on: March 15, 2007, 06:30:22 PM »
As a smoker  >:( I have been following this thread with some interest! I would like to make the following points: to the best of my knowledge it was only in the 1960s that the medical profession made a concerted effort to highlight the dangers of this unpleasant habit, and awareness only gradually took root among governments and the general public in the late 1970s and early 1980s. When king George VI was operated on for lung cancer he was attended by a group of physicans (I don't recall the exact number, but it was approx. five or six) of whom only ONE advised him (at least officially) that cigarette smoking was the cause of the problem and that he should stop.

At the time of the First World War the royal family sent gifts of cigarettes and tobacco to the troops at the front. In the aftermath of the great war Europe was ravaged by a devastating 'flu epidemic that claimed many lives. In those days smoking was considered healthy, and during the 'flu epidemic no self-respecting person would enter any public building or travel on public transport without a cigarette, cigar or pipe clamped firmly between their lips, as it was believed (God only knows where they got the idea from) that the smoke warded off the germs, 'flu virus or whatever. I heard this from my father, who in turn heard it from his father, who was a World War I veteran. I assume it is probably slightly exaggerated, although no doubt contains some grains of truth...no smoke without fire as the saying goes! (Apologies for the rather pathetic pun). Anyway, in view of the above, it does not surprise me in the least that the Tsar and the imperial family indulged in smoking. It was totally normal in those days, especially for men.