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Sarai_Porretta

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Re: Did Olga have Depression?
« Reply #60 on: June 24, 2004, 01:40:48 PM »
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Can anyone direct me to the reference in the Time Machine to Olga's breaking of the windows on the bridge, or tell me when it occurred?  Thanks.


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As Almedingen pointed out, the reference is in the letters of Grand Duchess Maria to her father, on the main Alexander Palace site. The letter is dated September 5, 1915, and reads: "We went as far as the "caprice" and climbed the stairs, do you know? And as soon as we reached it Olga took her umbrella and rushed furiously at one of the windows and broke three glasses with her umbrella and I broke another window, then Anastasia did the same thing..."

In reading this, the important thing to notice is that Maria and Anastasia were also involved in the same behaviour, not just Olga, as BeenaBobba pointed out in a post earlier in this thread. It seems the girls were having fun and the two younger sisters were following the lead of the eldest. I can imagine the girls laughing and having fun as they did this, not doing it out of rage or sadness. This to us may seem like destructive behaviour to engage in, but as others have pointed out here, they could be mischievious teenagers just like young people today. I do wonder why Olga decided to do this in the first place, it does seem rather odd, but perhaps the windows were already cracked or something and she decided to break them completely - who knows? But overall I get a sense of hijinks and fun from this particular incident, they were just being naughty girls, although I do agree that from other sources it does seem that Olga may have been depressed sometimes, as everyone is.

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Re: Did Olga have Depression?
« Reply #61 on: June 24, 2004, 03:34:44 PM »
Here’s my take on that particular incident: Marie was writing to her father about the walk they had taken, and how they had first spoken to “N.D.” (Nickolai Dmitrievich Demenkov), an officer with whom Marie was quite conspicuously in love and did not take any troubles to hide the fact.

Olga, on the other hand, seems to have been more discreet about her feelings. Previously she had been in love with a Standart officer, but in early 1914 he ended up marrying someone else. Then, just about the time of the “windows” incident, Olga had begun making entries in her diary about her growing attachment to a “Mitya.”

In the recent Atlantis “Fate of the Romanovs” supplement, published by Penny Wilson and Greg King, it is stated that “Mitya” was Dmitri Malama; however, other people on this website have pointed out that Malama demonstrated interest in Tatiana rather than Olga. Whatever the case, Olga seems to have kept any feelings for "her" Mitya confined to her diary.  But, after seeing her sister flirt—once again!—with Kolya Demenkov, this may have been the catalyst for the sudden “charge” and subsequent destruction of the windows . . . perhaps as a distraction, perhaps as a way of relieving frustrations and tensions. (I'm sure  Freud would have had something to say about this matter as well!) Then, since Big Sister had broken some windows, Marie and Anastasia quickly followed suit, though whether "The Little Pair" understood what was going on with their sister is another matter. (Tatiana apparently wasn’t along; perhaps it was her turn that day to stay with Alexandra, or maybe they were both busy assisting an operation?!)

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Re: Did Olga have Depression?
« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2004, 10:04:03 PM »
so, i think we've agreed upon depression but was there a breakdown?  one can be depressed and not break.

from what i understand a breakdown means that one becomes unable to function for a time. has anyone seen evidence of this happening to olga during the war, not in siberia after the Rus incident.

Maria_Romanov_fan

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Re: Olga's breakdown during the war
« Reply #63 on: December 12, 2004, 08:29:57 PM »
Olga was a nurse in WWI, which must have destroyed her on the inside. She, and Tatiana would have never looked at war the same way again. "War can destroy even the bravest of souls"

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Re: Olga's breakdown during the war
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2005, 10:44:00 PM »
I don't think it's too much of a stretch that Olga had a breakdown during the war.  Having been so carefully protected growing up, this was probably one of the first experiences she and Tatiana had dealing with the reality of war and violence (with the exception of the shooting of Prime Minster Stolypin).  I can't imagine being a nurse at that time myself, and I don't think I could distance myself from all that pain and human suffering.  It would be hard for anyone to deal with and witness, and since Olga was very sensitive to such things, I'm sure it had a damaging effect on her. :( ???

matushka

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Re: Olga's breakdown during the war
« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2005, 09:50:31 AM »
Read again the letter of Alexandra Feodorovna for year 1915, november. In November was Olga Nicolaevna “ill”. She did not go to lazaret, she stayed home and had rest. Alexandra Feodorovna has not written why. Perhaps had she the breakdown you read about. It is just my suggestion. If anyone knows what really happened with Olga Nikolaevna in November 15, repost please!!

Janet_W.

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« Reply #66 on: January 07, 2005, 03:04:52 PM »
Which begs the question, what is a lazaret? (Actually, I've long wondered about this, and many thanks to Matushka for jogging my memory!)  :D

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Re: Olga's breakdown during the war
« Reply #67 on: January 07, 2005, 03:10:49 PM »
A lazaret is a hospital used to quarantine contagiously ill patients, the name comes from Lazarus in the bible.

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« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2005, 03:33:38 PM »
Thank you, FA!  Another mystery (for me, at least) demystified!  ;)

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« Reply #69 on: January 14, 2005, 05:06:54 AM »
As I recall there is another letter from Alexandra to Nicholas, as well as the one cited above, in which Alexandra says that Olga has been taking some kind of medicine and is now looking a little less "green." I'm afraid I don't have the Alicky-Nicky letters on hand, but it seems to me that she referred to Olga's health problems and nervousness several times during the course of the correspondence.

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« Reply #70 on: January 14, 2005, 11:48:06 AM »
The whole issue of a breakdown seems very plausible, and I also think understandable that it is not referred to as such in letters between Nicky and Alix.  Considering the fact that Olga was of marriageable age, if the word had got out she would not have been a commodity on the marriage market, and, barring that, it may have brought additional bad press to the Imperial Family.  

moonlight_tsarina

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Re: Did Olga have Depression?
« Reply #71 on: February 28, 2005, 05:52:37 PM »
What Rus incident are you refering to?
Is it the so-called rape incident which was made into a thread?  :-X :-[

La_Mashka

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Re: Olga's breakdown during the war
« Reply #72 on: March 31, 2005, 02:10:58 PM »
I have read that she was a very sensitive person

So... I guess it is just a normal reaction.

It was duty vs. feelings....    how hard... poor girl...


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« Reply #73 on: May 21, 2005, 01:11:54 PM »
One of my friends said she saw on another Romanov message board that Olga Nikolaievna had begun cutting herself after the family was sent into exile. I hope that Olga wasn't so depressed she felt she had to harm herself, so does anyone have any information?

grandduchess_sofia

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Re: SI?
« Reply #74 on: May 21, 2005, 01:25:12 PM »
Thats pretty dark, i don't think Olga would have doen that, where is ur mates evidence?