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« on: January 20, 2005, 06:37:40 PM »
Just how many regiments had the honor of having Alexei Nikolaevich serve as their commander in chief?  I do know about the Finland Life-Guards, first to receive the honor when the Tsarevich was a baby.
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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2005, 10:48:00 PM »
Although tsarevich Alexis was too young to serve as an officer in the Army (during the war he “served” as a private and was later “promoted” to the rank of corporal) he nevertheless was named chief of many regiments and other military units and establishments (with the lowest officer’s rank of sub-lieutenant). The russian word is ‘‘shef ’’.  Honorary colonel or colonel-in-chief would be a more appropriate translation than commander-in-chief (used for a whole Army).

On the day he was born, he was named Ataman, or hetman, of all Cossack Troops (ataman is a title for a Cossack military chief ). In the tsarevich’s case it was  an honorary post which had been held by every Heir to the Throne since Nicholas I had created it for his eldest son Alexander (future Alexander II).

On the same day (07-30-1904 Old Style) Nicholas II also named his son Chief  (colonel-in-chief) of the following regiments:
- Atamansky (Cossack Cavalry) Guards Regiment of  His Imperial Highness the Heir Tsesarevich (by tradition, as Ataman of all Cossacks,  the Heir to the Throne was always named chief of this regiment which he only kept until he became emperor);
- Finlandsky (Infantry) Guards Regiment;
- 51st Litovsky Infantry Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (not to be mistaken for the Litovsky Guards Regiment);
- 12th Siberian Rifle Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich.

At the same time he was enrolled in all regiments of which his father, mother and grand-mother were Colonel-in-Chief at the time.

As he grew up, his father  the Emperor named him chief of more military units and establishments. The last official list, published by His Majesty’s Military Chancellery for 1917, names the following (listed by dates of regimental/school holiday). Sadly enough, that year, the February Revolution broke out and the Tsarevich was deprived of his title of Chief of regiments before any of them would celebrate their holiday.

When I could find them, I added the dates (old style) on which he was named chief:

- Konstantinovsky Artillery School;
- 1st Nerchinsky Trans-Baikal Cossack Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (during the War);
- 1st Trans-Baikal Cossack (Artillery) Battery of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (on 05-06-1910, his father’s birthday);
- 12th Siberian Rifle Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (07-30-1904);
- 1st Orenburgsky Cossack Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (during the War I think);
- 14th Gruzinsky Grenadier Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (somewhere between 1910-1914);
- 89th Belomorsky Infantry Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (during the War);
- Horse-Grenadier Guards Regiment (06-13-1910);
- 5th Kievsky Grenadier Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (somewhere between 1910-1914);
- 43rd (later16th )  Tversky Dragoon Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (on his 3rd birthday: 07-30-1907);
- 1st Volgsky Terek Cossack Regiment of H.I. H. the Heir Tsesarevich (06-1916);
- 2nd Don Cossack Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (during the War I think);
- Tashkent Cadet Corps of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (on 10-05-1904, his namesday);
- 3rd Kuban Plastun (Cossack Infantry) Batalion of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (04-19-1915);
- Alexis Military School (02-02-1906) formerly known as the Moscow Military School;
- Naval (Cadet) Corps (Morskoi Korpus) of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (11-08-1914);
- Moskovsky (Infantry) Guards Regiment (on 11-08-1910, the regimental holiday);
- 206th Saliansky Infantry Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (also for his 3rd birthday);
- Novocherkassk Cossack Military School;
- Atamansky (Cossack Cavalry) Guards Regiment of  H. I. H. the Heir Tsesarevich (07-30-1904);
- 4th Guards Horse Artillery Battery of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich  (01-25-1906);  
- 51st Litovsky Infantry Regiment of H.I.H. the Heir Tsesarevich (07-30-1904);
- Finlandsky (Infantry) Guards Regiment (07-30-1904).

I might add that during the war a military hospital was opened in the Winter Palace and named after him.

Only the regiments and units known as His Imperial Highness’ Own (which I have indicated according to their official Russian name as “of H. I. H. the Heir Tsesarevich”) or named after him were entitled to wear his monogram on their epaulettes and shoulder boards. Oddly enough the Atamansky Regiment didn’t wear his monogram, perhaps because it was obvious it was “his”.

Tsarevich Alexis was also "2nd Chief" of the 2nd Pavlogradsky Leib-Hussar Regiment and he was enrolled in at least 36 other regiments or military units along with 4 military and cadet schools (most of which had his father, mother, or grand-mother as Chief). This entitled him to wear these regiments’ uniforms, which he sometimes did (or at least was photographed in). Although being “shef” was purely a honorary  position, he took his duties quite seriously, learning about the regimental histories, receiving delegations from his regiments, usually on his birthday and regimental holidays, and attending military functions from a very young age. (For instance, as a painting by Boris Kustodiev shows, on December 12, 1905, still only a baby, he was presented to “his” Finlandsky Infantry Guards Regiment and reviewed it in the arms of his father. Later, many (if not all) these regiments had miniature uniforms made and presented to him. Some survived and can be seen in museums and exhibitions. He wore them at military parades and on special occasions.


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Re: The Heir as commander in chief
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2005, 11:24:21 PM »
Did he recieve any honorary foreign regimental ranks ?

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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2005, 07:22:35 AM »
Dear Mr. Briere:

Thank you very much!   That's a lot of information, which I suppose Alexei learned as he went along.   :)

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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2005, 10:24:18 PM »
Robert: I have found nothing about the Tsarevich being named colonel-in-chief of foreign regiments. No doubt he would have been if he have lived longer. He had already received a few foreign orders and medals though.

Pravoslavnaya: I remember reading the Tsarevich was quite knowledgeable about army matters, regiments, uniforms, etc. No doubt he knew quite a lot about “his” own regiments.

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2009, 07:18:16 PM »
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this. I was looking through a new book of mine called NICHOLAS II the family album and found a picture that caught my attention. The picture is of a group of young boys that looked to be about Alexei's age, they were dressed in military uniform and the book named them as being the Potechny regiment {nick named Alexei's toy soldiers}. I thought perhaps that they might have been Alexei's personal guard if he had ever became the tsar. I have been looking for information on this regiment for a while but as of yet have been unsuccessful and was hoping that some of you might information on this subject.
For those who access to the book the picture is on page 86. Also if it helps the picture was taken in the year 1910 at Tsarskoye selo.
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 06:24:13 PM »
This is my first post on the board and I wasn't sure where to post this...there are a few places where this could belong.

Anyways, ptitchka, I think you may be wrong about this statement:
   "I do know about the Finland Life-Guards, first to receive the honor when the Tsarevich was a baby."

According to the book Nicholas and Alexandra - The Last Imperial Family of Tsarist Russia (from the State Hermitage Museum and the State Archive of the Russian Federation) 1998 - Harry N. Abrams NY  NY:

"On July 30, 1904, when blood was being spilt on the fields of Manchuria, Adjutant-General Kuropatkin, the commander-in-chief of the Russian Army fighting there, received the following imperial telegram addressed to him: 'Today the Lord has bestowed on Her Highness and myself a son, Alexei. I hasten to inform you of this gift from God to Russia and to us. In order to share our joy with the valiant forces on active duty, I appoint the new-born Tsarevich commander-in-chief of the 12th East Siberian Rifle Regiment.'
In such a way was the army informed of the name of the first military unit to be granted the honour of having the heir to the Russian throne as its commander-in-chief."

Here is a photo of the 12th East Siberian Rifle Regiment uniform that belonged to the Tsarevich Alexei (in the same book as mentioned above) that was aquired from the Alexander Palace:



It is easy to think that the Finland Life Guards were the first unit to have this distinction because they were the subject of an oil painting done in 1905 where they were presented to the Tsarevich and there have been, to my knowledge, no photos or paintings published of the 12th East Siberian Rifle Regiment.

However, here is a photograph of the 12th East Siberian Rifle Regiment pictured with Tsar Nicholas ll and General Kuropatkin, taken c.1904-5:



Sissy :)
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2009, 07:16:48 AM »
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this. I was looking through a new book of mine called NICHOLAS II the family album and found a picture that caught my attention. The picture is of a group of young boys that looked to be about Alexei's age, they were dressed in military uniform and the book named them as being the Potechny regiment {nick named Alexei's toy soldiers}. I thought perhaps that they might have been Alexei's personal guard if he had ever became the tsar. I have been looking for information on this regiment for a while but as of yet have been unsuccessful and was hoping that some of you might information on this subject.
For those who access to the book the picture is on page 86. Also if it helps the picture was taken in the year 1910 at Tsarskoye selo.

Here's the photo Ausmanov referenced:



(It's from a Russian book that contains a collection of photos identical to those in Prince Michael's book. Cover photo here.)
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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2009, 04:51:52 PM »
Thankyou for posting the picture Sarushka, i realy appreciate it.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2009, 04:57:40 PM »
I forgot to ask, Sarushka, did you recognise anyone in the picture?
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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 05:27:50 PM »
It's very interesting...I wonder if Zehnya Makarov and Vasya Agayev the two boys that accompained Alexei on excursions belonged to the Potechny Regiment, although I think that they are not present in the photo.

There are photos of Zehnya and Vasya in the reply #37 in Photo-Album Alexei About 485 pictures topic and in reply #44 and 45 in Alexei Photos III.

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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 05:29:07 PM »
Two or three of the boys look familiar to me, but there's no one I can put a name to.
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2009, 05:30:12 PM »
It's very interesting...I wonder if Zehnya Makarov and Vasya Agayev the two boys that accompained Alexei on excursions belonged to the Potechny Regiment, although I think that they are not present in the photo.

I'm not 100% certain, but I don't think Aleksei became acquainted with Makarov and Agayev until after the start of WWI.
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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2009, 06:22:27 PM »
Them two indeed were ones of rare Aleksei's friends, they attended Russian Military School, and I am pretty sure they met during WW1, especially if they attended school at Mogilev, not at Tsarskoe Selo ( not sure, though). I don't think those boys are on photo.

Z.M attended 'Orlovskii  Korpus', while V.A attended 'Simbirskii Korpus'. (on February 17th 1907, Heir got that 1st cadet - regiment). Cadets' corps.
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« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 04:07:17 AM »
I agree, i dont think i can see either Zehnya Makarov or Vasya Agayev in the picture. Thankyou so much for your input, ive been trying to figure this mystery out for ages and hope that we can come up with some information.
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