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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #90 on: August 04, 2004, 11:11:12 AM »
With regards to Irina, she certainly is thinner than she appeared as a young woman, newly married. Yes, she went to work as a model of the fashion house she & Felix formed and perhaps that was the style? The 20s were a pretty sleek time with almost boyish figures. It was as prevelant as it became in the 60s and the 'heroin chic' of today, but many models were extremely slender back then, especially if they were trying to model the slinky, bias-cut dresses of the period.
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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #91 on: August 04, 2004, 03:26:47 PM »
Hey thanks for the input guys! :)  Also, I didn't know Irina became a model or that the twenties were like the sixties and today with real skinny models.  It is actually quite interesting.  Nerdycool, you're probably right about the food situation in their captivity.  But wouldn't Maria and Anastasia have had the same thing happen to them as well if they were starving (for the most part)?  King and Wilson's book said that Maria was still quite buxom, and Anastasia was described by one of the guards as the family was descending the steps to the murder room as "the chubby Anastasia."  I do suppose that these two weren't nearly as sensitive to stress as O and T, especially Anastasia who was almost always cheerful in captivity.  But I would think the lack of food would still affect them. . .

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #92 on: August 04, 2004, 04:16:23 PM »
Well, I don't think they were starving by any means, but they probably didn't get the quantity or quality they were used to. Maybe the younger girls didn't see their situation as dangerous as it was... but then again, maybe they just chose to ignore it. Another thing about stress... in some people it makes them lose their weight... in others, it makes them gain. It all depends on the person.

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #93 on: August 04, 2004, 04:36:23 PM »
Oh yes!  I forgot it makes some people gain weight.

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #94 on: August 04, 2004, 05:16:07 PM »
Bear in mind that if they were being fed "soldiers rations" - most likely full of carbohydrates and starches not in fresh fruit and greens...that sort of diet, along with limited exercise, can make any one gain weight!

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #95 on: August 04, 2004, 08:28:53 PM »
Yes, rskkiya, but Olga and Tatiana obviously DIDN'T gain weight, but lost it while eating (I'm assuming) the soldier's rations.  So not everyone gains weight from carbs.  Infact all I really eat is carb-rich food and I'm as "skinny as a rail" in my family and friends' words.  Granted I work out everyday for an hour, but even when I was somewhat sedentary I was still always quite skinny.  So you see, saying carbs can "make anyone" gain weight is rather invalid. :)

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #96 on: August 05, 2004, 10:15:53 AM »
OOOOPPS

Sorry I ought to have said many people...also under stress some people will become anorexitc or bulimic as an expression of personal control. With guards watching them and limited freedom of activity I would not be surprised to find that this might have been the issue ...but thats just a guess!


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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #97 on: August 05, 2004, 12:40:20 PM »
Your guess is as good as anyone's.  :)

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #98 on: August 05, 2004, 03:28:52 PM »
As has been pointed out, how much one eats or does not eat--and one's weight gain or loss--is also a matter of emotions and personal control. Tatiana was naturally slender--and of course, she had tremendous discipline--but I rather think that by the time Olga arrived in Ekaterinberg she took her meals simply out of rote, and ate just enough to keep her alive.

Exercise is naturally another factor. We all know that exercise is a great way to alleviate stress, and so Nicholas is not to be faulted for his focus on taking exercise while in captivity. The girls also enjoyed exercise, and you've probably seen photos of Nicholas and Alexei sawing wood, and Olga chopping wood. As for Alexandra's lack of exercise, due to her various ailments--well, that's undoubtedly just one more factor adding to her  ailments . . . one chasing the other.

And by the way, one of the more moving things I have read about their final days is that the cook, Kharitonov, was in the process of teaching the girls how to bake bread.

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« Reply #99 on: August 06, 2004, 08:47:51 AM »
Another point about Olga and her eating habits is that unlike the rest of the family (including her parents) by all accounts (even by those who knew her) Olga was very aware of what was happening to them (she didn't carry a pistol for nothing!) and she knew the hatred people had for her parents. I think it was Gleb Botkin who remarked that Olga seemed alone who seemed what was to come. As soon as the Bolsheviks took over as their Guards I don't think she had any doubts and if she did whatever happened aboard the Rus removed them. She was probably expecting death and was living day to day not expecting to survive. Her eating habits probably reflect this. I've always found it poignant and somewhat telling that unlike her siblings who survived the first volley of gunshots (especially after her father had just been shot point blank in front of her) Olga was supposedly killed right off - in the process of making the sign of the cross. It always seemed to me to be the act of someone who was prepared for death.
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« Reply #100 on: August 06, 2004, 08:58:37 AM »
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.... Olga was supposedly killed right off - in the process of making the sign of the cross. It always seemed to me to be the act of someone who was prepared for death.


I've often thought the same thing.  IMO, Alix made the sign of the cross becuase she was a fatalist and put her life in the hands of God.  If she were meant to live, he would save her.  If she were meant to die, she would die.  Olga, I've always felt, made the sign of the cross becuase she knew, after waiting months for it to happen, the end had finally come.  I think everyone else wasn't expecting it.

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #101 on: August 06, 2004, 10:35:08 AM »
Jackie 3 and Alexa, I agree with both of you.

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #102 on: August 06, 2004, 10:05:39 PM »
What you guys have said about Olga makes a lot of sense.  Ofcourse, Olga was DEFINITELY also naturally slender like Tatiana.  Tatiana was just very tall.  

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #103 on: December 16, 2004, 08:22:39 PM »
Maybe the older girls were fasting as well - esp. if Olga as has been suggested was preparing for death.

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Re: Tatiana resembles Alix?
« Reply #104 on: December 16, 2004, 08:34:37 PM »
    Well-- unless there was a church-related fast going on at that time, I have my doubts that the girls were "fasting" to prepare for their deaths. From the most recent evidence, it can be suggested that the IF were not expecting their execution that night in July.

However anyone familiar with the Russain Othodox church might tell us if there was a particular fast then?


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