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Offline katmaxoz

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #90 on: April 04, 2009, 05:05:32 AM »
A few more pictures of court dress to add to the pile   :)  Click on the pictures for a better view

Grand Duchess Xenia


Grand Duchess Olga - Queen of Greece


Grand Duchess Maria (aka Grand Duchess George)


Grand Duchess Anastasia


Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna the younger


Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna the younger


Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna


Grand Duchess Anastasia


Grand Duchess Maria Pavlovna the elder


Grand Duchess Victoria Melita in full cloth of silver court dress (It must have weighed a tonne!)


Grand Duchess Elizabeth & Lady in waiting











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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #91 on: April 21, 2009, 09:27:41 AM »
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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #92 on: April 29, 2009, 04:57:34 PM »
Hello,
I hope this is the right area for this question to be posted. I am wondering about the court dresses of Europe during the 19th and early 20th century. I have seen pictures of British and Russian court dresses, and I think I recall seeing a picture of a Swedish court dress, but I can't be certain about that as it looked very similar to a Russian court dress.

I would greatly appreciate any pictures or info that anyone has about this subject.
Thank you, and I'm sorry if this question has been asked previously.

-Canuck
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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #93 on: April 29, 2009, 07:09:20 PM »
I believe there's a picture of GD Marie Pavlovna the younger who married a Swedish prince in Swedish court dress. I'm sure it's under the Marie Pavlovna Jr and Lennart thread in the Imperial Family sub-forum. I think that's where you are thinking of the Swedish court dress from.
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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2009, 07:57:29 AM »
It looks like there's a rather spectacular exhibition of Russian Court dressing going on at the Amsterdam Hermitage at the moment called "At the Russian Court".  They have published a catalogue in English, though it's not easy to get your hands on it.

http://www.hermitage.nl/en/
http://www.hermitage.nl/en/tentoonstellingen/russische_hof/

and there are some online images from the exhibition available here:
http://www.hermitage.nl/en/pers/russische_hof/beeldmateriaal.htm

http://www.dezeen.com/2009/06/23/hermitage-amsterdam-interiorby-merkxgirod/

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2009, 05:40:26 AM »
You can get the catalogue from the Van Hoogstraten Online shop - http://www.hoogstraten.nl/theshop/index.php - just type in 'at the russian court' and you will get the catalogue up.  It looks pretty spectacular - I am thinking of a day trip to Amsterdam in the autumn to check it out.

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #96 on: July 09, 2009, 07:41:22 AM »
I have the book in Dutch  and the book is indeed very spectacular !!! :)
Have a look at this topic for more info about the book:

At the Russian court-exhibition book
http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=13733.0

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #97 on: July 17, 2009, 03:13:02 AM »
I'm sure these pictures of royals in Swedish court dress are scattered over the forum, but to gather them together:

Maria Pavlovna the younger

I've seen the Swedish Court dress at the exhibition at The Royal palace in Stockholm. That dress probably was owned by GDss Maria Pavlovna-younger, Duchess of Sudermanland. The whole dress with train looked soo simple but very impressive in its simplicity, I was fascinated with it and was gazing at the vitrine with the dress far more than at the vitrines and cases with the Royal Jewellery : )

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #98 on: July 27, 2009, 02:52:34 PM »
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i posted this several years back (as well as two (or three) others taken on the same occasion...
(which, incidentally, was the for the emperor's "Speech From the Throne" @ the opening of the Duma.)

i thought i'd post this one again, because i think i had moved the image to a differnt album, which broke the link.

in any event, some of the newer members may not have seen it.

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Aleksandra Feodorovna
in full Court Dress




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peacefully in my sleep; not screaming & in terror,
like the passengers in his car."

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #99 on: July 27, 2009, 03:45:31 PM »
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i was asked once, if i knew why ladies  in court dress, are always wearing only the right glove, & carrying the left one paired-up w/ the always present fan?.

@ the that time, i didn't know the answer.

indeed, i found out only a year or two ago, and quite by chance.

 ---- some members ~ or perhaps, many members ~ may already know the reason...



it'is rather simple, actually:
(okay...maybe not.  

at some point, it was considered impolite & serious breach of etiquette, to touch the royal skin w/ a glove on,, and since court functions required the royals to ""shake hands" when greeting guests (for ladies, it was more a genteel & very light clasp of the last four fingers (the thumb remained hovering in space) and this gesture was always done w/ the right hand).   
the royal ladies simply began to remove the right glove before the function -- over time, it just became tradition (the practice retained it's practical side, as well).    i believe it was part of Court Dress in every Court in Europe.

likewise, it was customary during any type of Court Presentation --- be it a first entrĂ©e into Society ~ capital 'S' ~ an "official" introduction of Subject to monarch  or whatever -- ladies were required to make a deep curtsey & "shake" (and on occasion, kiss) the royal
hand, and again, it one simply did not clasp the royal hand with a glove.

and later, around the mid-1800s (i'm guessing) , the "no glove" rule had  become traditional Court Etiquette for every lady, when wearing Court Dress.  

i'm not positive, but i seem to recall someone telling me, it was different in the U.S.:
in America, ladies in Polite Society ~~ Society w/ a  capital 'S' ~~ considered it bad form for their skin to touch,  so when ladies greeted one-another, both hands remained gloved.  

this could (perhaps?) be one of the reasons why Americans were considered vulgar & ill-mannered by many members of many a European Court....



so, yeah.   that's why.
(as far as i know, anyway.)


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peacefully in my sleep; not screaming & in terror,
like the passengers in his car."

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #100 on: July 27, 2009, 04:45:50 PM »
Very Interesting. Thanks Brian for the info. :)

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #101 on: August 31, 2009, 05:35:53 AM »
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i posted this several years back (as well as two (or three) others taken on the same occasion...
(which, incidentally, was the for the emperor's "Speech From the Throne" @ the opening of the Duma.)


Aleksandra Feodorovna
in full Court Dress




A couple more of Alex in the same dress.  They must have gone for a photo session that day before the Duma as you see the odd photo of Grand Duchess Olga in the same dress and jewels she wore that day floating around. A shame we haven't seen a full set of images from the day.






A postcard in colour of the dress above



and the actual dress









A slightly longer version of the same image above



The colour postcard strikes me as an amalgam of this dress and this younger picture of Alex. I wonder if there are more photos from this younger session (c1894-6) that we haven't seen or if the postcard is based on some painting that hasn't made it into books or exhibitions yet. It certinally looks like she is carrying the same fan in both formal photos, and I know that piece hasn't made it's way into exhibitions on Romanov fans yet....










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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #102 on: October 03, 2009, 07:12:59 PM »
from KORSHUNOVA (available in Russian, French and English) Costume in Russia: 18th to Early 20th Centuries from the Hermitage Museum  ISBN: 0569085780

and the Russian book, by BESPALOVA Kostium v Rossii


Is this a newer version of the book that was produced in the 1980s by aurora publishing do you know? I have that book and it's still one of the best on the costume from the Hermitage I've seen.

Art of Costume In Russia: 18th to Early 20th Century (Hardcover)
by Tamara Korshunova  # Publisher: AURORA ART PUBLISHERS (1979) & (1980)
# ASIN: B000OJSSJ2

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2009, 07:59:29 PM »
What beautiful dresses!!! I think that Russian Court Dresses are very beautiful and elegant, they're
based on the traditional Russian dresses, and they're so elegant and special. Alexandra was very elegant
and gave to her look something so personal

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Re: Russian and European Court Dresses
« Reply #104 on: October 19, 2009, 03:34:53 PM »
Princess Shervashidze