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Mark_Byron

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Photos at Ipatyev House?
« on: May 30, 2004, 09:27:19 PM »
I don't think I've ever come across any photos taken by the Imperial family while they were in the Ipatyev house. We know pictures were taken of OTA and Alexei on the Rus in May. But beyond that, I don't think there is anything. Maybe, I'm wrong. Also, there were the I.D. photos taken by the commander of the house but I'm not sure if that was in Tobolsk or Yekaterinburg. What happened to those photos? And if there are no photos taken in the Ipatyev house, does that give an indication that they thought their situation was much more serious than life at Tobolsk? Or were the cameras taken away from them? I can't imagine they're sitting around all day, week after week, without resorting to a previous pleasurable pastime.

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2004, 09:42:03 PM »
I don't know if you have seen these, but they had photos taken of OTMAA while they were there. Like the ones where they are working in Nicholas's garden he made. Also in the book "The Lost World of Nicholas and Alexander" by Peter Kurth, they have pictures in there while they were at the Ipatiev House. There is one where it shows NOTMAA doing there daily exercises outisde with the gaurds. Those are the only ones I know of. :)

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2004, 09:57:26 PM »
Thanks, for your resonse but the only garden Nicholas worked on was at the Alexander Palace in the spring and or summer of 1917. The other pixs you mention in Peter's book were taken in Tobolsk. So, anyway I have The Lost World in my lap and going through it again, I do that you for that!

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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2004, 10:03:23 PM »
I meant, I do thank you for that. My bad!

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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2004, 10:15:32 PM »
You're welcome,but actually, it's my bad, I should have read more carefully! I wonder, also, why they don't have many photos of them there, it's strange. Do you think the gaurds may have searched for any pictures after they were murdered and destroyed them? ???

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2004, 11:30:17 PM »
I actually heard somewhere that a photo may have existed of the family's bodies in the cellar room right after the murder. It was a statement by one of the guards years later. I'll have to figure out which book I read that in.

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Re: Photos at Ipatyev House?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2004, 12:43:36 AM »
In the IH some of their cameras were taken away; in "Fate of the Romanovs" we relate how the Grand Duchesses asked for them back, but were told they could not have them; I suspect (just my opinion) that Avdayev may have given them the cameras had their request not included all of the chemicals to develop them-there was simply no way he'd be able to get that past the Presidium of the Ural Regional Soviet without himself getting into more trouble over what was already considered his lax treatment of them.

Whatever film or photos were in their cameras probably went to Moscow after the murders.  To this day, there is not a single known photo of the Imperial Family taken during their captivity in Ekaterinburg.

As to the assertions about the photo of the corpses-it's rubbish.  There was a book published a few years called "The Final Photo of the Romanovs" (I think I mention this at greater length on another thread somewhere on the board) that claims to show one, but it doesn't, for a number of reasons.  I think that's something Radzinsky got into his head and ran with simply because Yurovsky had been a photographer.

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Re: Photos at Ipatyev House?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2004, 12:55:08 AM »
Reading this thread I was reminded that there may have been a photograph taken. Somewhere in my library I have an old thick paper folder. On one portion of the folder (upper?) it depicted a gruesome death scene while the second portion featured a photograph of how the Imperial family looked at its most regal.  The deliberate contrast between these two images was absolutely horrendous and portrayed an example of Soviet propaganda.

This folder was a pre WWII soviet production. I have always had doubts about its authenticity, because the Ipatiev photograph seemed to have been touched up - which was a common technique used by the soviets. I consciously "lost" this folder in my library because it made me sick to look at it, but keep it for its historic significance.
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2004, 01:07:25 AM »
Greg,

I am wondering whether Radzinsky was actually describing the very same folder that is in my possession?



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Re: Photos at Ipatyev House?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2004, 06:25:31 AM »
I have my Great Grandmothers Box Brownie from the edwardian period, they took photos very well and they were used very much like today. It is a Kodak, it was sent to her by cousins who lived in Boston. I think Penny that it would have been possible to take a picture, but light would have been a problem as those fuse flashes were cumbersome and you are right there just was not any time. I don't think they would have been able to get the light exposure and it was early moring and dark. I have aways thought this supposed photo highly doubtfull.

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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2004, 06:51:33 AM »
I doubt the existence of such a photo aswell. But, if there was such a photo in existence, I would like to see it. For closure, maybe, I'm not sure.

What about the mughots that were supposed to have been taken?

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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2004, 08:43:05 AM »
This is sort of off the top of my head, but, who cares. Anyways, I recall reading, several times in fact, that the entire family was photographed during their imprisonment. What happend to these pictures?

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Re: Photos at Ipatyev House?
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2004, 08:49:04 AM »
you are correct JM they had to have identity cards while Tobolsk, others I don't know about they could be in the archives somewhere in Moscow

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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2004, 03:41:24 PM »
Where Mr. Radzinsky got the notion of a photograph is explained on page 8 of his book, The Last Tsar.  In the 1960ties he rented a room in the apt. of Vera Leonidovna Yureneva a famous actress from the turn of the century (who was then in her 90ties), he was an archival student at that time.  She told him that her husband Mikhail Kaltsov (a journalist at the time) knew Yurovsky and that he (her husband) never quit looking for a photograph of the murder "simply" because Yurovsky had been a photographer.  But there is absolutely no reason to think that one actually exists.    

I know that no one here at the AP seems to like Radzinsky but I have all 3 of his books and enjoy his playwright style of writing.  But I know too how serious he is about all of this, he was an Archivist at the Historical Archival Institute for many years.  I also appreciate the KIND way in which he writes about Nicholas that other writers do not.
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2004, 06:46:21 PM »
A few years ago, someone was trying to peddle this photograph to members of a Romanov forum. While I don't have it, I have seen it, and it was clearly not a photograph of the family.

Arleen, I'm with you in appreciating Radzinsky's kind way of writing about Nicholas. Thought he did a great job on "Stalin", and while I have his Rasputin book, haven't read it yet...so many books...so little time...:-)

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