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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #135 on: June 22, 2009, 03:06:06 PM »
 Yes,mitia! The best words! 

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #136 on: October 24, 2009, 02:34:39 AM »
sorry if this was posted earlier. Nice article about Tatiana's frenchy

http://www.bullmarketfrogs.com/articles/tatiana_and_ortino.htm

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« Reply #137 on: October 27, 2009, 01:16:52 PM »
 Sorry, blessOTMA ! This article is very-very old . Not all facts is correctly.

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« Reply #138 on: October 27, 2009, 04:26:47 PM »
Sorry, blessOTMA ! This article is very-very old . Not all facts is correctly.

Thank you for letting me know! 

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #139 on: October 28, 2009, 11:56:18 AM »
Great article!
Hey, one question. If Jemmy bones had been found months after the murder of IF, and died only weeks ago, the history that Anastasia died with Jemmy in her arms is false, right?

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #140 on: October 28, 2009, 11:58:58 AM »
According to the different testimones, Jemmy was presented in the cellar room. One comrade said 'Dogs die like dogs', while stabbing puppy; something like that , this is not verabtim.
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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #141 on: October 28, 2009, 08:14:20 PM »
Jemmy was really small ....right?   I think I see him in Anastasia's  lap in that photo of the four girls taking a break from gardening at AP in early captivity. The IF had three dogs with them in the end. My understanding is Jemmy died with Anastasia and  the family. Another dog, whose name I'm forgetting, was killed with the bayonet to shut it up ...and Joy ran  off and so survived. It's amazing that of all of them,  Joy got to England. But I'm thinking that would have pleased Alexi.

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #142 on: October 28, 2009, 08:17:38 PM »
.... Another dog, whose name I'm forgetting, was killed with the bayonet to shut it up ...

well that's an official " senior moment"  the other dog was Ortino  of course! lol!

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #143 on: October 28, 2009, 08:27:40 PM »
I am not so sure whatever happened to Ortino/Ortipo. Gilliard mentioned seeing Tatiana Nicholaievna for the last time,  after reaching to Ekaterinburg in May of 1918., she held it in her arms
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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #144 on: October 28, 2009, 08:36:45 PM »
Attention  "blessOTMA":  I think that you will find it interesting to refer to "Sarushka's" post # 120 on this same thread, to get a different "take" on the dog's name.   That is why "nena" (in his post # 143) refers to an alternate spelling.   Regards,  AP.
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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #145 on: October 28, 2009, 08:52:13 PM »
Sarushka, the others girls are writing about Tatiana's dog in there letters to NA. Yes, Tatiana's handwritting was pretty difficult, but Anastasia's one, or Olga's one are quite easily readable. So, I can not imagine that people who read so much letters with the name Ortipo would have made an error all the time. As for the puppies, here is the quotation from a Tatiana's letter to her father. 17.09.1915 "... Vchera mne privezli Ortipo s detmi, chtoby ih pokazat'. Oni ochen' malen'kie i urodlivye i neizvestno, na chto i kogo oni pohoji. A Ortipo lejala smirno okolo nih v korzinke i strashno, vidno, boyalas, chtoby my ne draznili ili muchili malen'kih. No ih opiat' uvezli i potom privezut uje tol'ko odnu Ortipo." If someome can translate... Thanks! (Sisters of mercy, page 136).
Tatiananolishka, thanks for your answer to my little question!

Ooh my... How didn't I see this one earlier. The Caption says:
   Yesterday, I got Ortipo with children to be shown (me) them '. They are very small and ugly and who knows what and whom they resemble. Ortipo lays quietly beside them in a basket and frightened, apparently, afraid that we are not teasing nor tormenting the little ones. But they again 'were taken away and then brought one already like Ortipo.

It seems that Ortipo was female, and she got puppies. * ;)*
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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #146 on: October 28, 2009, 09:06:24 PM »
Attention  "blessOTMA":  I think that you will find it interesting to refer to "Sarushka's" post # 120 on this same thread, to get a different "take" on the dog's name.   That is why "nena" (in his post # 143) refers to an alternate spelling.   Regards,  AP.

Ah! Thank you! That was very  enlightening. I took the spelling right from the tread heading...and had missed that post

This was interesting from Sarushka's post

Lili Dehn gives a similar alternate spelling: Artipo. Dehn is by no means a scholarly source like The Complete Wartime Correspondence, but she (like Vyrubova) would have heard the dog's name spoken by the IF themselves, so I find her approximation particularly compelling evidence.

This reminds me of something I thought might be an interesting addition at AP. I wish there were audio files with the correct pronunciation of words. I know I have been saying " Nikolaevna"  wrong for nearly 4 decades

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #147 on: October 28, 2009, 09:29:37 PM »
I think it is Artipo because 'o' in Russian pronounces as 'a'. Romanov sounds 'Ramanav'. Written form is indeed 'o', while it pronounces as 'a'.
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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #148 on: October 28, 2009, 10:14:12 PM »
Do we know what the name means??

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #149 on: October 28, 2009, 10:19:14 PM »
Yes, "nena," it is so.  In my earlier language studies of years ago, I struggled with the simplest of such written-versus-spoken single letters as "o/a," as in the final letter of the Russian "Thank you" and the written "o" in "boyar."  It is obviously "do-able" with time. guidance, practice and dedication, but for a real treat/challenge in linguistics, try Welsh !   AP
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