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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #75 on: September 02, 2005, 09:59:02 AM »
With Alexis :


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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #76 on: September 02, 2005, 12:25:13 PM »


And in color.

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #77 on: September 02, 2005, 12:39:06 PM »
What would be the date for the "best photo" of Ortino, the one with Tatiana and Maria  sitting on the grass and the dog beeing on Tatiana's laps ? It seems to be a nice sunny day !

I guess that the lovely Faberge figurine of Ortino that member Ortino has got in his avatar is the one displayed in the Cleveland Museum of Arts. As far as I know, there is another of these Ortino's figurines in HM Queen Elizabeth II private collection at Sandringham Palace. Does anybody know what happened to all the other Ortino's figurines that Tatiana had in her bedroom at Tzarkoie Seloe ? Are any of these Faberge figurines listed in the belongings that the IF had to leave when departing from Tobolsk ?

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #78 on: September 02, 2005, 01:08:53 PM »
I read somewhere, it was in june 1917, but it is not easy to give the real date (but it is not maria it's Anastasia  ;))
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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #79 on: September 02, 2005, 01:45:32 PM »
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I guess that the lovely Faberge figurine of Ortino that member Ortino has got in his avatar is the one displayed in the Cleveland Museum of Arts. As far as I know, there is another of these Ortino's figurines in HM Queen Elizabeth II private collection at Sandringham Palace. Does anybody know what happened to all the other Ortino's figurines that Tatiana had in her bedroom at Tzarkoie Seloe ? Are any of these Faberge figurines listed in the belongings that the IF had to leave when departing from Tobolsk?


Yes, it is the one from the Cleveland Museum I believe. There was a page about them/Ortino on the Alexander Palace main website which says that the rest have been "dispersed around the world". I would guess then that the rest are in other museums across the globe. I don't know the specifics though. I would guess that they were left at the palace when the family departed, stored with the rest of the Imperial belongings, and then resurfaced. Here's the page I was referring to:

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/Ortino.html

By the way, I'm female.  ;)
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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #80 on: September 02, 2005, 01:51:53 PM »
Sorry " Madame or Mademoiselle " Ortino !
As for me, I am Dominique.....( male ! ).

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #81 on: September 02, 2005, 02:12:16 PM »
I wish member Ortino is true about the " fate " of the Faberge figurines of frenchie Ortino and that they are in " good homes or museums " . I would VERY MUCH dislike people making money from them !
Helene, I looked for the book you are quoting. Is it " Le destin russe de Pierre Gilliard " by Daniel Girardin published by Actes Sud ? It seems to be pretty new and all in french ? Is it mainly photos from the Lausanne Exhibition or mainly text ? Thanks.

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2005, 01:39:54 AM »
Yes, it is the same book :

- nearly 66 pictures ( unfortunately many are very small)
- 148 pages
- all is in french
- nothing really new if you know the story of the children but it can be a good beginning if it is not the case.

Hope that can help you  :) .

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #83 on: September 06, 2005, 08:21:27 AM »
Reference to Helene's picture of Tatiana and Alexei.

I have never seen it before, but I am pretty amazed at the number of guards around them. What are they doing? Are they guarding them so closely (and why so many?), or are they just around to pose for a picture?

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #84 on: April 19, 2006, 02:05:32 PM »
Dear Bob,
I am a new memebr to this site but I still have in my private emails a message from you dated july 2004 about Ortino, and several ones from Rob Mosheim. Both of you were kind enough to give me a few explanations about Ortino and a marvellous photo of the dog too.

To-day, I red an article that a friend, who has been breeding french bulldogs for more than 40 years in the UK, sent me. It is not a new article and it comes from an american dogs magazine and was written by Carol Gravestock-Taylor. The author says that the last Imperial Family owned at least 2 frenchies and she quotes GD Anastasia, november 30 th 1914 " Now we've got another charming french puppy, Billie ". I think that here GD Anastasia is in fact talking about frenchie girl Ortino, which was a present to GD Tatiana from Dimitri de Malama around october 12 th 1914 ( Anna Viroubouva acting as " go-between " ). Isn'it simply a mistake in the calendar, Anastasia using the old rusian calendar which was 13 days ahead the western calendar ? Thus her letter would be dated " western way " november 13th, and Ortino was very " new " to the family then. Moreover, many french bulldogs then had a proper name indeed, but they were very often called " billie" in english, " bouboule " in french and " bullie " in german, whatever their proper name was. At the end of the article, there is a photo tittled " a cameo of Ortino that Tatiana treasured ". It looks rather like a plain photo of Ortino in a frame than like a proper cameo ??? I had never seen this before.

I am also very intrigued by the posting of Greg King dated 14/02/2004, where it is said that a first Ortino was short lived as the dog died in septemeber 1915 ( Empress Alexandra 's cable dated 05/09/1915 ) and that at once Dimitri de Malama gave another frenchie to GD Tatiana, whom she immediately named again Ortino ? Has this been verified ? I had never heard of it before. The only other french bulldog I know of that the IF had, and who was rather short lived indeed, is the brindle puppy that appears on many photos taken at the time Alexandra made a cure in Germany in 1910 and when the whole family stayed for several weeks with all the Hessian relatives. The french bulldog puppy appears either on a family group photo, sitting on Alexandra's knees. Or in the arms of Alexis. Or on a bench where Alexis is sitting surrounded by his 2 very young Hesse and The Rhine cousins. I am sorry to say that I do not remember or know the name of this first frenchie who did not live long. I would be very interested to know ( together with all french bulldogs lovers in France and in the United Kingdom ) whether anything new has come to light about " the 2 Ortinos " since Greg King sent his post in 02/2004 ? I have bought Mr Greg King 's last book which is a very interesting study of the Last Russian Court, but there is nothing more about these 2 presumed Ortinos, though of course the book is WONDERFUL in many ways.
Thanks and regards.

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #85 on: June 25, 2006, 12:49:47 AM »
I ran across this picture of Grand Dukes Nikolai Nikolaevich and Alexei Alexandrovich.   There in the midst of them are a few dogs.  The one on the front left of the picture is indeed a French Bulldog.  But is this Ortino?


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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #86 on: June 30, 2006, 07:58:12 PM »
What year was that taken?

i don't think so... beacuse ortino was kinda small!

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #87 on: June 30, 2006, 09:08:52 PM »
I don't think so. The dog in question looks too big and there seems to be a patch of white around the neck area, although that may just be due to reflections. French Bulldogs were popular companion pets during the early 20th century, so it would not be unexpected for them to be owned by other members of the Imperial Family.

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #88 on: June 30, 2006, 10:20:37 PM »
I really don't think so. The royal family had a number of pets.

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Re: Tatiana's French bulldog, Ortino
« Reply #89 on: July 01, 2006, 12:54:21 PM »
There are in fact 2 french bulldogs on this photo. A pied one ( mainly white coat with some black spots ) with his head looking backwards towards the door, and a brindle one ( black coat with more or less fawn stripes and sometimes a white patch on the chest ) looking right at the camera ! This brindle frenchie is wearing the typical badger collar that posh french bulldogs used to wear in the old days ( this type of collar is very expensive nowadays and is rather an object of collection, though they still manufacture it on special order ). If this is GD Alexei Alexandrovitch who died in 1908, this brindle french bulldog cannot be Ortino who was given to Tatiana by Dimitri de Malama in october 1914. The pied frenchie might be Spot who belonged to GD Maria Palovna the elder and later on survived her, since Spot was adopted by GD Andrei Vladimirovitch in 1920 in France.