Grand Duke Georgiy Aleksandrovitch (1871-1899) discussion, pictures II

[Dominic_Albanese]

Good Morning Alixz, it seems this ole fool can't read.  Your correct, I miss-read your post as directed at Lisa.  I vaguely remember a brew-ha-ha about Penny's research from a few years ago and I don't know what ever came out of it either.  But will ask next time we cross electronic paths.

Regardless, I posted a message asking for an update on his book (The Grand Dukes) since I think there will be some new info on some of the lesser members of the family - something I so enjoy.

As a fellow Bon-Jovi enthusiast (although I'm Bon-Jovi ballad’d out and crave some good rock and roll from them!) - I've enjoyed your informative posts and most sincerely apologize for my mistake.

With best regards,
dca

[Alixz]

Domenic:

I, too, like the information on the more "unknown" of the family.  I am on N&A overload.  I am also on AA/FS overload.

Early Bon Jovi - (my "checkered years") has always been my favorite with Crossroads being the best "best of" album.

When he did "This Left Seems Right", he was wrong.

So off topic, but now he seems to have gone country.  Although I do like "Who Says You Can't Go Home" with Sugarland.

Back on topic, I have been looking for pictures of Grand Duke George.  Some people here have posted some very good ones, but I am unable to access their sources.  I spent a good part of this morning in Russian language sites and in the Library of Congress, but I am missing some search technique because I don't get any good results.

I am looking forward to publication of The Grand Dukes.  I am a sucker for Arturo's books and publications.

Where is Grand Duke George's diary?  Was it destroyed or is it still deep in GARF?

Again, good to speak with you.  You are a breath of fresh air and common sense in the often contentious world of Romanov posting.

[Amanda_Misha]

Another photo of George, a sincere excuse if somebody already put it in this subject
George, 1890
http://Http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d5/Georges2russia.jpg
(By the way, is one of my favorite photos, in my opinion George seems an angel)
After of NAOTMAA and of Michael, George is my favorite.
It is certain, on George extensive chapters or complete books have not been written but I believe that he was a boy with a great internal strength and also an enigma, ¿As it had been its impact in Russian history? we will never know it...

It is my humble opinion, sorry if my english is not very good and if I exceeded my commentary
Greetings to all

[TulinnDon]

Who are the Grand Duke George Alexandrovitch'children ?
Does anyone know, if, if some of them could have been educated at the Greece Court ? as the Queen Olga of Greece was a Russian Princess .............

For me it is a rumour to hide the reality.
For me, in these Imperial Families, hiding anything is possible by telling either nothing, or telling a story as a fairy tale.
L'éducation des Grandes Familles permettait (et permet encore de nos jours) de dissimuler des évènements de très haute importance.
Sorry for my english. Probably a lot of you can read also french.

Dans le cadre de ma recherche sur les enfants du Grand Duc George Alexandrovitch, je viens de découvrir ce site très intéressant.
Looking for any informations about these 4 children, I just know this site/forum.

 

[StevenL]

Who are the Grand Duke George Alexandrovitch'children ?

Cher TulinnDon,

Désolé à vous dire que je ne comprends pas votre question.
Le Grand Duc Georges Alexandrovitch (1871-1899), décédé célibataire, ne laissait pas un posterité connue.
Le Grand Duc Georges Mikhailovitch (1863-1919) laissait deux filles.

Steven

[TulinnDon]

Cher Steven,

Je peux bien-sûr me tromper, et c'est la raison pour laquelle j'écris sérieusement, très sérieusement, sur ce forum, en espérant des éclaircissements.
Je cherche à travers ce forum, la plus petite information ou la photo, qui continuent d'alimenter cette rumeur.

J'ai de bonnes raisons de penser que le Grand Duc Georges Alexandrovitch a eu une postérité : cette postérité étant issue de mariages ou d'unions morganatiques, elles sont restées volontairement cachées, très bien cachées, surtout dans l'entourage tout proche des enfants concernés.

Si le Grand Duc a eu des enfants, de façon morganatique, c'est le Tsar Nicolas II qui a décidé de leur sort et de la façon de les dissimuler officiellement.
Dans ce forum, j'ai trouvé des 'répétitions', un peu des confirmations de rumeurs, pour lesquelles nous n'avons - bien entendu - aucune preuve.

Le Grand Duc Georges a peut-être été homosexuel, je ne cherche pas des preuves ; les doutes et les rumeurs peuvent conduire à cette conclusion.
Je cherche les enfants qu'il a eus.
Mon expérience personnelle et familiale est : Une information d'une femme 'saine de corps et d'esprit' (morte aujourd'hui) était qu'un jeune enfant V. (devenu plus tard son mari) avait pour Père le Grand Duc Georges Alexandrovitch : elle montrait le Grand Duc GA sur une photo.
Alors, c'est pourquoi, je cherche aujourd'hui les descendants des autres enfants ; peut-être, sur ce forum, certains connaissent des éléments d'informations.L'enfant V. est dit être né en 1895, mort en 1953 et enterré en France à Sainte Geneviève des Bois : il a appartenu à la Marine Impériale Russe.

Mon français est-il plus facile à comprendre que mon anglais ?
Je ferais tout mon possible pour être plus claire.
Je veux bien traduire, mais je risque de faire des contresens.
Bonne Journée.

[Reco]

Chère TulinnDon,

Je suis un descendant direct du Grand Prince George Alexandrovitch Romanov de Russie, né en 1871. Je puis vous certifier que mon arrière grand-père n'a eu aucune liaison secrète ni aucun mariage morganatique avant son tragique décès en 1899.

I am a direct descendant of the Big Prince George Alexandrovitch Romanov of Russia, born in 1871. I can certify you that my back grandfather had no secret link and no morganatic marriage before his tragic decease in 1899.

En fait, le mariage de mon arrière grand-père a eu lieu très simplement à St Petersbourg en présence du Tsar Alexandre III, de l'imprératrice
Maria Fedorevna, de ses frères et soeurs ainsi que de toute la famille impériale. Toutes les journaux du monde en ont parlé.

In fact, the marriage of my back grandfather took place very simply in St Petersbourg in the presence of the tsar Alexander III, the iempress  Maria Fedorevna, all his brothers and sisters as well as from all imperial family. Every newspapers of the world spoke about it.

J'espère que cet éclaircissement mettra fin aux doutes et aux rumeurs pouvant conduire à toute autre conclusion.

I hope that this elucidation will put an end to doubts and to rumours that can drive to quite other conclusion.

Respectueusement
Respectfully

Reco

[LisaDavidson]

Reco: Your claim is nothing short of ridiculous. If the grand duke had married and had children the Imperial Court would have been aware of it. It was not. Please stop this nonsense, and I hope you get on with your life.

[TulinnDon]

I knew it will not be easy.
Some people speak of secret, some of enigma ; the thing is it is perfectly done.
If we do not find something new, the DNA can be the last solution.
But
1. it is forbidden in France (only for policiary questions and very rare exceptions),
2. with whom is it the easier to make the comparaison ?

Thank you for any information.
What do you think ?

[Reco]

Sorry,

I don't claim anything. I made a joke.

Reco

[LisaDavidson]

I think a little levity is appropriate, but I guess I don't find false claims to be a descendant of the Romanovs to be very humorous given Anna Anderson et al. However, I am mindful of the model/actress Stephanie Romanov who also claimed such a descent. I asked one of Prince Vassili Alexandrovich's granddaughters how she was related and she winked and said, "oh, Stephanie Romanov is from a veerrry distant branch of the family".

[TampaBay]

Well......is she related or is she not related?? 

TampaBay

[TulinnDon]

My reflexion from France1

1. If you were beginning to have TB,
2. if you were "bisexual" (?),
3. if you were Tsetsarévitch,

would you marry a Royal Woman ?

Would a Royal Woman marry an Imperial Man who has TB ? - even if he is Tsetsarevitch ?

Si vous commenciez à être atteint de la tuberculose,
si vous étiez éventuellement bisexuel,
si vous étiez le Tsétsarévitch,
acepteriez-vous d'épouser une Femme de votre rang pour la postérité ?

Quelle Femme accepterait d'épouser un Homme qui a la tuberculose - même s'il est le Tsétsarévitch ?


PS. Who can explain me how to post photos ?
By 'insert image', it doesn't work : or
Some of our doubts come from our family photoalbum ?
Qui peut nous expliquer, comment mettre des photos sur le forum, pour identifier des personnes ?
Thank you and mercis.

 

[LisaDavidson]

My reflexion from France1

1. If you were beginning to have TB,
2. if you were "bisexual" (?),
3. if you were Tsetsarévitch,

would you marry a Royal Woman ?

Would a Royal Woman marry an Imperial Man who has TB ? - even if he is Tsetsarevitch ?

Si vous commenciez à être atteint de la tuberculose,
si vous étiez éventuellement bisexuel,
si vous étiez le Tsétsarévitch,
acepteriez-vous d'épouser une Femme de votre rang pour la postérité ?

Quelle Femme accepterait d'épouser un Homme qui a la tuberculose - même s'il est le Tsétsarévitch ?


PS. Who can explain me how to post photos ?
By 'insert image', it doesn't work : or
Some of our doubts come from our family photoalbum ?
Qui peut nous expliquer, comment mettre des photos sur le forum, pour identifier des personnes ?
Thank you and mercis.

 

The thing is,

1. There is no evidence of George's sexuality at all, so your bisexual label is speculation, and may or may not be true.
2.  His being Tsesarevich was viewed as purely temporary by nearly everyone due to Nicholas' relative youth and marriage to a woman who could have children.
and,
3. His medical condition, as I repeatedly have stated, would not have afforded him the ability to have anything approaching what most would consider a normal adult relationship with anyone of any orientation.

His family was not inclined to promote marriages of any kind, let alone his.

So, your point is?

[TulinnDon]

My reflexion from France1

1. If you were beginning to have TB,
2. if you were "bisexual" (?),
3. if you were Tsetsarévitch,

would you marry a Royal Woman ?

Would a Royal Woman marry an Imperial Man who has TB ? - even if he is Tsetsarevitch ?

Si vous commenciez à être atteint de la tuberculose,
si vous étiez éventuellement bisexuel,
si vous étiez le Tsétsarévitch,
acepteriez-vous d'épouser une Femme de votre rang pour la postérité ?

Quelle Femme accepterait d'épouser un Homme qui a la tuberculose - même s'il est le Tsétsarévitch ?


PS. Who can explain me how to post photos ?
By 'insert image', it doesn't work : or
Some of our doubts come from our family photoalbum ?
Qui peut nous expliquer, comment mettre des photos sur le forum, pour identifier des personnes ?
Thank you and mercis.

 

The thing is,

1. There is no evidence of George's sexuality at all, so your bisexual label is speculation, and may or may not be true.
2.  His being Tsesarevich was viewed as purely temporary by nearly everyone due to Nicholas' relative youth and marriage to a woman who could have children.
and,
3. His medical condition, as I repeatedly have stated, would not have afforded him the ability to have anything approaching what most would consider a normal adult relationship with anyone of any orientation.

His family was not inclined to promote marriages of any kind, let alone his.

So, your point is?

1. I am quite OK with you. But the 33 pages let think the Grand Duke Georges Alexandrovitch was and/or was not. I wrote to stay in the context of this forum (no speculation from myself). About this, as I said on previous topics, I am looking for his children. They are some people who are very far and who perhaps know. I am writting on this forum not to speculate, but to try to know if somebody knows. Une bouteille à la mer : I have very special reason to look for them, for the children.

2. He was Tsetsarévitch during a short period, waiting for his eldest brother the Tsar Nicholas II has a young boy.

3. If I understand correctly what you write : you think that to have TB at that period, would not change a decision of marrying or not, even for such weddings with a royal, or high-society young woman. Is that correct ?

Since 3 years, I am in contact with a genealogical person in Moscow, who is studiing Grand Duke Georges Alexandrovitch's diary. He is looking for his special relations in the years 1894-1895. It is serious, but complicated and very long to explicate.