Were the Grand Duchesses raped?

[FunBobbyNY]

Wow.  People need to calm down.  Penny-I agree with your position completely and find you to be more knowledgeable about the Romanovs compared to AnastasiaFan.   You've spent countless years (not days or hours) pouring over documents that none of us have ever seen, spent countless hours interviewing those with ties to the Romanovs, and have spent innumerable amounts of blood, sweat, and tears writing a great book "Fate of the Romanovs" and the Atlantis magazine.  Hows that for credentials!  You know the Romanovs, you know Russia.  AnastasiaFan needs to relax and learn how to laugh.  

I found the "Fate of the Romanovs" to be highly thought-provoking and presented new ideas that were gleaned after extensive research.

If I were a Jewish person living in Russia under Nicholas's rule and had a relative who died thanks to the programs, I'd want to see him dead just as much as I'd want to see Hitler burned at the stake.  If I had a child who died during Bloody Sunday, I would want to see Nicholas dead too.  An eye for an eye--that's just human nature to want revenge for years of oppression and intolerance.  I'm very fortunate to live in a time period where government has a responsibility to best serve those they represent--its called accountability.  

[FunBobbyNY]

I think AnastasiaFan needs to start acting her age and not her IQ.  And since she seems to have problems deciphering jokes, here's a face I hope she understands!  

Have a great day!

[Reed]

I think the title for this thread needs to be changed....maybe to "The Next Russian Revolution!"  And we wonder why the Romanovs couldn't get along???    Really......let's get back to being civil to one another.....!!

[Maria_Vanya]

Exactly what I was thinking Reed!

[Louise]

I found nothing malicious in Penny's posts, and yes I think it's best that everyone develop a sense of HA HA.

That said,  the post originally 4 pages back was Were the Grand Duchesses raped?  I think Bob has said it all. There is no evidence that the girls were raped. Harmed, yes. Emotionally raped, emotionally abused probably yes. We have Penny and Greg's wonderful research to attest to this.

So, I have gone back to the library and borrowed Fate of the Romanov's to re-read it all over again.

It is on my list of books to buy, as I have purchased other books. I kinda figured that seeing you two post here, what better way for this student  to learn all there is to know from  the teachers and scholars! I'll buy it soon. Promise

Louise

[Forum Admin]

Ok,
Just a gentle reminder to everyone and no specific person.
Lets keep the main focus of the thread, please. If you want to discuss the murder of Nicholas II or the IF, great, just please start a new thread. This thread is about the allegations of rape between Tobolsk and Ekaterinburg.

And, more importantly, please respect each others' opinions. Disagreement is fine, but lets please stay on a "civil" level and refrain from the personal attacks.
We should all stand a bit embarassed that a 16 year old had to remind the users to act in an adult fashion.
I would have jumped in sooner, but poor Bob has been without his computer since early saturday morning....Serious repair issues it seems. It has been in the hands of the repair wizard "expert" since then...so Im doing double duty here. He has been dead in the water for days now...he is going thru Internet withdrawal
it is worse to watch than nicotine withdrawal! Just kidding, but if you have emailed him this weekend, that is the reason why no one has heard back from him...He is not a happy camper. he will answer everyone asap once the computer is back.

[borgia]

    If something is done to honor the Romanovs anniversary ,perhaps some contributation could be made to a Russian womens help center,in special honor of  OTMA.

[AnastasiaFan]

I think AnastasiaFan needs to start acting her age and not her IQ.

I really think you need to take your own advice, honey. Your own words aren't making you look too bright at the moment.  

Have a great day!

Though this part isn't directed at me, I will still stop and say, "you have a nice day as well." I could make a smart remark, but you know what? I think I'll be the bigger person.

[AnastasiaFan]

I lived less than 1.5 miles from Cielo Drive when the murders happened, and remember that night vividly.  A VERY close friend of the family was very close to Sharon Tate, and Sharon had called her that evening to come join them at the house. Our friend had to beg off expecting a call from the UK that night and said she would stop in for coffee in the morning...she drove up to Cielo, but did not stop as she realized she was too late for an appointment; she otherwise would have been the one to find the bodies. She spend six months in hiding and on medication after that.

I was looking for an older post when I saw what you wrote about your friend. I hadn't noticed it before. OMG! That is so scary!

[Sunny]

Rob, my sympathies to Bob...whenever there is a problem with the computer in this house,  milling around the machine can get intense.  :-/

Sunny

[Louise]

I know this isn't the thread but...I can't imagine going computerless. I shake my head and I shudder. Say hi to Bob and tell him that he is in my thoughts. Ummm, just an idea, but I think a second computer in the house night hep avoid this terrible problem in the future.

Louise

[Forum Admin]

Louise,
I have my own personal computer, which I use for the forum admin and my own work. Pallasart has computers as servers, but Bob cant work on them as they are devoted to being servers. He has his own computer with all his files and data on it, there are back up disks, but without his  computer, he is dead. It just isnt feasible at this time for him to have two identical computers, backing up data and files from one to the other, running two sets of software etc etc. In all these years, this is the longest time his computer has been down.  Poor Chuck, the mac wizard, was up all night last night trying to chase down the bad files after three full days, he didn't even take the holiday off. They can't just erase files without losing too much stuff, so they have to try to save as much data as possible while searching for the bad stuff. You can't imagine what four full days of lost time means to Bob. This is also why the June newsletter will be a few days late.
Thanks to you all for your kind words. Bob appreciates it all more than you know, he just wants his computer back! The last time he was this upset is when his dog was at the vet's overnight.

[_Rodger_]

My sympathy and best wishes for a full and rapid computer recovery for Bob.

Myself, I am going to have to have a root canal later this week.  

The bad part is having to wait to get it done.   :-/

[Guinastasia]

Rodger:
I hear ya. Good points! Got me thinking of Teddy Roosevelt expounding on the Nicholas' Jewish pograms after the 1905 revoution while lynchings were going on in his own country.

VERY good point.  Especially considering Teddy's treatment of the Panamanians in building the canal and how he screwed them over, as well as Columbia.

Greg, I'm sorry if I painted that picture of the Manson murders, and I'm very sorry for what happened.  

Ouch, poor Bob-I just got my new computer and went through a month of withdrawal.  Not to mention I still have yet to get all the stuff off of my old hard drive.  It's not fun.

One thing I do remember reading is that after the murders, some of the men who came to help with the burial were angry because they had wanted to rape the girls...but from what I gather, Yurovsky probably wouldn't have allowed it.  

There was also a mention that one of the thugs was fondling the Empress's corpse!  

[Penny_Wilson]

Myself, I am going to have to have a root canal later this week.    

Don't worry, Rodger!  My brother had his first root canal last week, and despite all the negative anticipation, it didn't hurt a bit!

The bad part is having to wait to get it done.   :-/

You're not kidding!  Next Monday, I'm under the knife for some minor surgery.  Well, it's more of a cancer test than surgery -- not that I have it, but my dad did, so now that I'm over 35, I have to have this baseline thing done.  And because it's intrusive, I have to be sedated -- and I HATE sedation.  I always imagine I'm not going to come back out of it...  

But the wait IS the worst part -- too much time to think...