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Fyodor Petrovich

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« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2011, 09:54:12 AM »
What!? The misspelling Battenburg , of which there are ca. 100 instances on this forum, has replaced the heraldic term "chequy" in common parlance!? Wow, that's a double whammy of ignorance!
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« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2011, 12:49:34 PM »
My father's family came from the German-French border and my maiden name reflected that. People could never pronounce it and kept wanting to put an E on the end. I got sooooo sick of spelling it for everyone and pronouncing it for them  17 times, only to have them continue to mispronounce it. Thank God for husbands with straightforward last names!  ;)

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« Reply #47 on: May 30, 2011, 09:19:33 AM »
I would like to remind those who are concerned about "umlauts" etc, that many of us do not have keyboards that will accommodate using the various accent and other marks that are needed for the correct spelling in some languages.

This is not something that is done to aggravate others.  It is a technical problem having to due with where one lives and where one buys his/her keyboard.

However, this is an English speaking and writing forum.  FA has decreed it to be so and it is his forum.  He gets to make the final judgement.

If anyone has the ability to use the correct marks, no one here will tell them not to.  But those who don't have the ability should not be judged as trying offend anyone.

The only thing that is not allowed is posting in any language other than English.  I don't believe that this applies to personal names either given or surname - you can check with FA if you have any questions.

However if a poster chooses to post in Cyrillic or Greek or Arabic or any other language with a different alphabet that is not English, then that poster will receive a PM from me asking them not to or a posted message from FA telling them not to.

Threads have been locked and posters have been temporarily banned because some posters seem to like to annoy FA.  He doesn't get annoyed - he will just invoke his right to ban anyone who does not follow his rules.
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Fyodor Petrovich

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« Reply #48 on: May 30, 2011, 04:16:41 PM »
I would like to remind those who are concerned about "umlauts" etc, that many of us do not have keyboards that will accommodate using the various accent and other marks that are needed for the correct spelling in some languages.
That is why there are Alt Codes.


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« Reply #49 on: May 30, 2011, 05:17:05 PM »
Dear Alixz,
It doesn't just annoy the FA; I believe it annoys the vast majority of us.  I don't usually comment on this sort of thing because I don't like confrontation and I don't want to start problems, but I can't 'hold my tongue' anymore--enough is enough.  People come here to share knowledge, not to be harangued because they may not know how to use accents correctly in other languages. As you said, this is an English-language forum; I for one am tired of pompous, frequently indecipherable messages about proper grammar, diacritics, etc., and I wish the moderators could do something about it.  Clearly, multiple warnings and temporary bans aren't working.
Thank you.

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« Reply #50 on: May 30, 2011, 05:19:10 PM »
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Dear Alixz,
It doesn't just annoy the FA; I believe it annoys the vast majority of us.  I don't usually comment on this sort of thing because I don't like confrontation and I don't want to start problems, but I can't 'hold my tongue' anymore--enough is enough.  People come here to share knowledge, not to be harangued because they may not know how to use accents correctly in other languages. As you said, this is an English-language forum; I for one am tired of pompous, frequently indecipherable messages about proper grammar, diacritics, etc., and I wish the moderators could do something about it.  Clearly, multiple warnings and temporary bans aren't working.
Thank you.


I agree with you, Amanda. 

Rob and Bob were made this board for us, and I think it's only right that we follow their rules.
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Re: People spelling names.
« Reply #51 on: May 31, 2011, 09:47:11 AM »
I didn't keep much of an eye on this thread, as it is in "Having Fun" and frankly, was rather pedantic about spelling and diacritical marks.  There is a REASON why we insist on this as an English forum...We don't have very many foreign language fluent speakers to moderate the other languages!  So, I must be certain that if someone posts in cyrillic, that the posting is appropriate and safe.  Posting in a foreign language is permitted ONLY when accompanied in the same post by the English translation, for example when citing a book or paper which is originally in a different language. I've done it myself withe some things in French, Spiridovitch for example. I'm sorry if that annoys some users, but, we must protect the integrity of the posts here, and English must be the common language.

I have removed an obnoxious post disrespectful of a Mod, Alixz.  It is one thing to try to educate someone, and quite another to be a rude bully.  Feodor Pavlovitch you are given a warning to respect Mods and other users. Speaking of pedantic, try looking up the word "Facade" in the Cambridge Dictionary.  You will see that "facade" is the preferred spelling in English, while the French "façade" is the secondary accepted spelling.  http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/facade_1?q=facade

Behave please. I don't want to have to be dragged back here by users who prefer to be bullies and rude. 

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« Reply #52 on: June 01, 2011, 01:04:47 AM »
Yes sir. i was curious when i started the this topic (plus i was 17, that was 5 years ago) , it turn into a disaster just because i was getting tired of the bulling on other topics about spelling. I myself at the time, wasn't thinking.
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« Reply #53 on: June 01, 2011, 09:28:17 AM »
I don't think that there is anything that I am worse at than spelling.  Even in English let alone in other languages.
I use spell check before every post, but that does not always find the errors because sometimes the word spelled incorrectly is actually another word that is correctly spelled.
I have, in other threads, complained about "texting" and the way words are compressed and spelled.  I have also bemoaned the usage of words, the disappearance of words and the intentional replacement of one word for another such as "axed" for "asked".

In this forum, FA has said that we should use English.  So we do.
FA has also said that "text" English is not allowed, so we don't use it.
There is a thread in which FA lists how he would like to have names and places spelled uniformly.  I am first to admit that, unless one prints this list out, the chances are that I will not use the spelling that FA prefers.

However, I would never abuse or bully another poster for not spelling words correctly in English or using the preferred spelling.  In fact, when moderating and "cleaning" a thread, I will often spell correct for others long after they have posted and I have never yet notified anyone that I do that.  The only way it might be seen is that there will be an "edited by" in italics that now shows on that particular post.  That editing is solely to correct spelling mistakes (and then only if the mistakes make the meaning of the post unclear) and then I don't do it at all if the poster speaks another language as their first language.  I don't want anyone who is trying very hard to type in English (to them a foreign language) to feel that I am reprimanding them for "bad spelling".  Some of these posters do better than the native English speakers and how they phrase their posts is simply a result of how hard they are trying.

As to the "Alt Codes".  Before I read this thread, I had no idea that they even existed.  My own language program will correct for foreign spelling in a document, but it doesn't work with posting on this forum or any other forum.

I believe that most of us, not just the moderators, know that various words typically used and taken from languages other than English will not have their proper diacritics or accents.  We accept that and can live with it.

It is true that this forum is uploaded daily to the Library of Congress of the United States and will remain there as a resource.  I don't know if the corrections that we make here also show as corrections to the Library's copy.  The big question about that came when griffh asked that his whole thread "The Empress Alexandra Fights Back" be removed from the forum at the request of his publisher so that his new book on the subject could go into production.

When I removed that lengthy thread for griffh, did it also disappear from the Library of Congress copy?  So far I have had no answer.

Anyone who continues to worry about what the Library of Congress is uploading from this thread should not worry about the spelling of the names and towns and countries.  They should be worried that the Library of Congress is uploading the petty feuds and fights and flame outs that the whole world will eventually be able to see.

These petty difficulties make us look like a bunch of children playing in the sand box and kicking sand into each other's faces only because "we can".

To anyone who feels that they are being bullied (about anything not just spelling), please report that abuse to either a moderator or FA.  No one should feel uncomfortable posting here.

It has been noted in another thread that the Forum "is in the doldrums" right now and it seems as though it is.  Perhaps posters are taking the summer off or perhaps they are just tired of all of the fighting over insignificant issues.

Either way FA has made his thoughts on this thread known.
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Re: People spelling names.
« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2011, 10:07:20 AM »
Hi,

As long as the meaning of the text in any posting is clear, I don't much worry about the incorrect spelling and mixed up grammar.
If I understand the context, then that's what we're here to achieve.

I have misspelled words myself;  and sometimes have been grammatically incorrect;  but the world still is revolving!!!

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Re: People spelling names.
« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2011, 01:15:11 PM »
You will notice that "Feodor Petrovich" is now a "guest" because he deleted his user account today.  I suspect he didn't like the warning given for his bullying behavior, nor being proven wrong that "facade" is not the proper spelling in English!