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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #270 on: July 18, 2005, 04:24:47 PM »
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If this is the case,  then FS and Gertrude could be first cousins through the maternal side.  And, the mtDNA would still match.  Would this still be a 99.9% match?
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You keep repeating this "99.9% match" chant, but again - that's wrong, the match was 100%. Yes, any maternal relative of Gertrude's will have the same mtDNA, but this is not what I am talking about when I say less than 1% chance. Statistically speaking it is impossible that AA just happened to be some random maternal relative of Gertrude's and not FS, her sister. Again: based on the mtDNA bank comparison, the chance that AA was Gertrude's random maternal relative is less than 1% - which means impossible.

We seem to be continuosly discussing apples and oranges.  Anyway, I am going to give up on this because it is obvious that we are not speaking the same language...
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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #271 on: July 18, 2005, 04:55:35 PM »
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AA often styled herself Frau Von Tshaikovski in Germany. I often have thought about how similar the names Schanzkowski and Tshaikovski are.
Oh yes old Polish nobility.  Now it´said the family were mennonites from Holland.  Confusing to say he least. ;)


What's confusing is that some people (not you Stepan) still can't put two and two together. The whole time AA was dropping hints to who she really was, and no one got it!

....Frau Von Tshaikovski....Frau Von Czenskowski...Frau Von Tshaikovski....Frau Von Czenskowski....like Aunt, like niece? ;)
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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #272 on: July 18, 2005, 05:17:00 PM »
I think we can all put two and two together.  

Unfortunately, this is not a simple math problem to be solved.  It's a mystery that we actually enjoy exploring.  Yes, we may know who "dunnit", but we find great joy and stimulation in looking at all of the characters, following different leads even though they may be all wrong, and talking about the process!

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« Reply #273 on: July 18, 2005, 05:19:59 PM »
Helen:  Oh, good!  Glad you made that decision.  I know it is frustrating for you, and there's just no need in life to be frustrated when you don't have to be!

Bear:  Wasn't someone trying to contact Carl M?  Did they succeed?  


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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #274 on: July 18, 2005, 06:14:14 PM »
Bingo!

I pursue this case -- probably more tenaciously than most -- because my interest in it doesn't begin and end with the Romanovs.  Whoever Anastasia Manahan turns out to have been, she was a far more fascinating person than the 17-year-old Grand Duchess ever had a chance to be...
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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #275 on: July 18, 2005, 06:27:32 PM »
I am not sure how to pursue this, but I think it would be interesting if AN and FS did basically trade places.
That is just something I never thought of before. It would be interesting to see the police reports and know why the Berlin police thought FS was murdered by Grossman.
Whatever the case, there are a lot of unanswered questions and misinformation. That is for sure.
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« Reply #276 on: July 18, 2005, 06:35:49 PM »
.....so....did anyone else notice that Penny obstinately refused to answer my post?

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #277 on: July 18, 2005, 07:27:37 PM »
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I think we can all put two and two together.  

Unfortunately, this is not a simple math problem to be solved.  It's a mystery that we actually enjoy exploring.  Yes, we may know who "dunnit", but we find great joy and stimulation in looking at all of the characters, following different leads even though they may be all wrong, and talking about the process!


Yes, you don't have to be a math major. But it's a subject that keeps holding my attention. AA is a mystery even after the mystery is for all intent and purposes solved. I wish I could have met her so I could have drawn my own conclusions.

I know many people of good repute met her and believed. Spent their money to help her.

Darn, way too late late and a more than a dollar short!
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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #278 on: July 18, 2005, 07:39:01 PM »
Helen.

I quess I was just trying to get you to MAYBE say it was possible that several maternally related women at that time could have produced a good number of children. They could have like my family lost touch( who could invite the crew I outlined to a wedding and afford it ;D) .

They could have lived in the same area most of their lives....and it is possible that more than one woman went missing at the time FS disappeared and AA got fished out of the river.

I am starting to think that my mtDna is out there everywhere. And we only go back to the USA 3 generations.

Thanks for your imput.

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #279 on: July 18, 2005, 07:58:32 PM »
I agree Inquiring Mind. For some reason, this issue never rests. I think there is much that we do not know and many unanswered questions. Until those questions are answered, I don't think this will die. And that is as it should be. My mind is a lot more open about this than when I first came to this discussion group. Call me crazy, it won't be the last time.  ;)
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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #280 on: July 18, 2005, 08:03:26 PM »
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I agree Inquiring Mind. For some reason, this issue never rests. I think there is much that we do not know and many unanswered questions. Until those questions are answered, I don't think this will die. And that is as it should be. My mind is a lot more open about this than when I first came to this discussion group. Call me crazy, it won't be the last time.  ;)


We are two thinking the same thing, lexi4! As long as I have questions about this AA case, I'll don't consider it as closed...But, uh...I already said it too many times.  ;D I'm repeating myself!

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #281 on: July 18, 2005, 08:08:11 PM »
Given time...some will come full circle...having AA as AN... again.... ::)

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #282 on: July 18, 2005, 08:16:25 PM »
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Given time...some will come full circle...having AA as AN... again.... ::)


I don't think that will play out....

Unless you and Teddy know something we don't?

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #283 on: July 18, 2005, 08:16:36 PM »
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I'm not actively searching at this point, as I have two other book projects that I'm working on right now.  

It would be very interesting to compare the two sets of prints, wouldn't it?  Either there would be a match -- in which case, another item pro Anastasia Manahan being Franziska Schanzkowska.  Or there wouldn't be a match -- in which case -- what?  Certainly an item in the favor of those who do not agree that AM was FS... But either way, I predict much more fodder for the conspiracy theory team: planted cards, mislabelled cards, how can we know they're authentic....  ;D



Hmmm!!! What interesting thing! As you may notice with a simple glance over my post, I'm one of the "conspiracy theory team", and I'm burning in my own curiosity asking to myself why you predict "...much more fodder for the conspiracy team...". I'm have a stubborn conspirative mind, and I don't think AA was FS (perhaps she was, but I know too much infos contradicting it that I can't accept AM as FS. Yes, there is DNA, the only evidence of AM being FS. THE ONLY evidence...Ah...I forgot about a very retouched old photo). Your post relieved me. So are we able to said that in the next years to come the whole affair will still being interesting?I wrote in some other post, that in my opinion (it's only opinion) we will be able to discuss about this subject more thoroughly, only in a near future... Maybe, I was not so crazy.

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Re: Franziska -An Interesting Story on Her own - A Timeline of Her Life #2
« Reply #284 on: July 18, 2005, 09:24:21 PM »
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I think we can all put two and two together.


I'd like to believe that... I really really really would! But (sigh) I just don't think that's possible for everyone... it's a bit like world peace....

(excludes people who are just starting out on reading about AA for the first time of course. Hey, everyone was new once. )



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Unfortunately, this is not a simple math problem to be solved


Actually, math played a huge part in solving the mystery of AA's identity. It's just not a simple math problem....
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