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Re: Rasputin
« Reply #90 on: December 02, 2004, 07:41:47 PM »
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I agree!  :P
I don't  think that Rasputin was evil, but these icons are unappealing, "kitzchy " and corny. They rather remind me of velvet paintings of Elvis!

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« Reply #91 on: December 02, 2004, 08:06:35 PM »
I have to agree with Bob and Rskkiya,not only are those ikons rather disturbing,they look corny as well.Creepy and haunting come to mind also.Almost like Rasputin is beckoning from them to join in something that isn't right.
To me Alexei just doesn't look comfortable sitting next to him.
Maybe I'm reading too much into them but it's just what I see.I just don't like the look of those ikons.
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« Reply #92 on: December 02, 2004, 08:13:33 PM »
Merrique, I completely agree with you on the subject of the ikons.  They are just a bit creepy to put it mildly.  Just as an aside, my grandparents bought Radzinskii's book on Rasputin, and I refuse to even look at it, because the picture of that man on the front cover just makes me cringe.  

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« Reply #93 on: December 03, 2004, 03:07:33 AM »
They might be eerie, but they look nothing like Rasputin in my view.

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« Reply #94 on: December 03, 2004, 06:19:07 PM »
Mr. Cullen
You are correct. Although icons are not meant to look like particular people, as I understand it, they are meant to express their spiritual nature.
These images seem more like posters than stylized iconic expressions - are they really 'Icons?"


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« Reply #95 on: December 05, 2004, 02:43:19 PM »
rsskiya asks are they icons. I have to say no they aren't. Rasputin has not been glorified a saint. As I have said before on this topic, those pictures give me the creeps, something a real icon never does. While it is true one can paint icons of righteous/holy people who have not yet been glorified as saints, it is beyond me as to why anyone would think Rasputin fits into that category. I understand that the same crowd responsible for the Rasputin icons also want to see Ivan the Terrible glorified too.... ::)

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« Reply #96 on: January 05, 2005, 10:46:40 AM »
There is an entire grouping of Rasputin threads on the following URL:

http://hydrogen.pallasweb.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=rasputin

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« Reply #97 on: January 20, 2005, 09:16:25 PM »
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 Who makes these "icons"? I'm sorry, they look so CHEESY!  :P

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« Reply #98 on: January 21, 2005, 08:43:11 AM »
The same people who make cheap (but not necessarily inexpensive) crap as souvenirs and the kitschy stuff sold in catholic and other religions' religious art ??? shops. It's just pop-art rubbish.

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« Reply #99 on: January 21, 2005, 08:46:13 AM »
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I'm sorry, they look so CHEESY!  :P


I think that's been the general consensus.  ;)

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« Reply #100 on: January 21, 2005, 04:13:18 PM »
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It's just pop-art rubbish


Not to mention heretical >:(

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« Reply #101 on: January 24, 2005, 01:08:16 AM »
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Not to mention heretical >:(


Speaking as an iconographer myself, neither of those would actually be considered an Icon even if Rasputin were to one day be canonized.  For one thing they both look as though the faces were painted directly from a photo, and while at first glance they look like Icons, the artist didnt paint them using an iconographic method. Ive seen velvet paintings of Elvis that looked more like an Icon.

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« Reply #102 on: January 24, 2005, 02:33:09 PM »
True, but there are a lot of icons, esp. from the late 1700s through to even now that are painted in a western style. If they have been blessed by a Priest then they are icons, but I prefer the traditional Byzantine style.

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« Reply #103 on: January 26, 2005, 03:45:22 AM »
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True, but there are a lot of icons, esp. from the late 1700s through to even now that are painted in a western style. If they have been blessed by a Priest then they are icons, but I prefer the traditional Byzantine style.

  No matter what country an Icon is painted in( actually its called writing an icon ), there is only one method used the by the artist to create an Icon.  If an Iconographer ignores 2000 years of tradition, and paints in a western style for whatever reason it will never be more than just a painting, whether or not it is blessed by a priest.  And while Russia, Greece, Serbia, and even Georgia all have a certain look to the icons done in those countries, they're all done(the real ones anyway) using the same practices and techniques. This involves a large amount of prayers, fasting and concentration.  A true Iconographer, after having spent an unspecific amount of time learning all these things(either from a school or an established Iconographer), must then get a blessing from a priest or bishop before he or she begins to paint. After that they  are usually left on they're own unless there is a problem.

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« Reply #104 on: January 26, 2005, 03:50:05 PM »
My Spiritual father (now reposed) who was a Hieromonk at Jordanville says it is better to say painting rather than writing an icon, as that reflects the Slavonic better. However if we discount all 'modernist' style icons from being icons, there must be 100s if not 100os of Orthodox Churches around the world that have nary a true icon in them.
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