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British Royal Weddings--past and present
« on: June 08, 2009, 12:08:00 AM »
Hello.

I'm just browsing through the 'Royal Collection', in particular looking at a couple of paintings of Royal Weddings, specifically that of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert by George Hayter and Victoria, Princess Royal and Frederick of Prussia/Germany by John Phillip.

Queen Victoria & Prince Albert's wedding (by George Hayter):
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=Marriage&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=407165&row=7

Victoria, Princess Royal and Frederick of Prussia/Germany's wedding (by John Phillip)
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http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=Marriage&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=406819&row=3

Anyway, I'm hoping that someone might be able to help identifying some (or all, if you like) of the figures...

Here's what I think I've got:
(1) QV & Albert's wedding (the ones I think I can identify): Ernst II of SC&G (chap in blue to right of golden haired girl), Ernst I of SC&G (taller gent on right of Ernst II (he's holding a hat)), ?Queen Adelaide (to right of Ernst I) or ?Marie of Württemberg (stepmother of Albert), Albert & Victoria (in the middle, obviously), Prince Augustus of Sussex (skull-cap, on right of Victoria), ?Princess Augusta of Cambridge (formerly of Hesse-Kassel) (in between minister and woman in blue in foreground), Prince Adolphus of Cambridge (directly behind woman in blue in foreground).

(2) Victoria, Princess Royal & Frederick of Prussia/Germany's wedding: Augusta (m. Frederick), Wilhelm I (f. Frederick) (to left of minister), Frederick & Princess Royal (kneeling), who is the older gentleman in blue?, Albert (in centre), Leopold I of Belgium (to right of & behind Albert), Alfred (in front of Albert), Edward (in front of Leopold I), Arthur (Victoria's hand on his shoulder), Leopold (tiny boy, facing away, in front of Victoria), ?Alice (girl in pink with blue and white flowered wreath), ?Louise (on L) and ?Helena (on R) (poking out from behind Queen Victoria), Victoria, Duchess of Kent (behind Alice, ?Louise and ?Helena), Duchess Augusta of Cambridge (formerly of Hesse-Kassel (to right of Duchess of Kent), Prince George of Cambridge (to right of Duchess of Cambridge & Alice), ?Princess Mary Adelaide of Cambridge (to right of George of Cambridge).

That's what I've got and I think those IDs are mostly right (though I could be wrong).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: British Royal Weddings--past and present
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2009, 03:05:38 PM »
the gentleman in blue could be Edward Geoffrey Smith Stanley, 14. Earl of Derby, the prime minister of the day....

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Re: British Royal Weddings--past and present
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2009, 06:26:53 PM »


Far left:

Duke of Coburg, Empress Augusta, Kaiser Wilhelm I, Archbishop of Canterbury

Group of men in back: Earl of St German, Marquess of Marquess of Breadalborne (sp? I couldn't read the key very well), Earl of Clarendon

Ladies in shadow: Lady Stanley, Lady Murray, Lady Molyneux

Center: Prince Albert, King Leopold of the Belgians

Far right: Duchess of Kent, Duchess of Cambridge, Duke of Cambridge

center: bride & groom, Lady Cecilia Lennox, Lady Villiers, Lady Susan Pelham Clinton, Prince Alfred, Prince Arthur, Prince of Wales, Queen Victoria, Prince Leopold, Princess Louise, Princess Helena, Princess Alice
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2009, 09:34:19 PM »
Thank-you both for your responses.

Just a little more... the golden haired gentleman between the Duke of Coburg and the Empress Augusta - I'm thinking he might be a Prussian prince based on the uniform, perhaps Friedrich Karl, the son of Wilhelm I's brother Charles?


And the woman to the right of the Duke of Cambridge = Mary Adelaide of Cambridge?

Would these assumptions be correct?

Thanks,
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Re: British Royal Weddings--past and present
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2009, 10:07:57 AM »
Yes, it is Mary Adelaide. I thought I had put her in the identification but had accidentally left her off.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2009, 07:58:13 PM »
Excellent!

Thank-you very much for the information.

:)

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 04:33:49 AM »
I'm just going to put links to the various other pictures of 19th century weddings that I have found (so far all from the Royal Collection).

Alfred and Maria Alexandrovna (by Nicholas Chevalier):
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=Marriage&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=404476&row=10

Edward VII and Alexandra (by William Powell Frith):
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=Marriage&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=404545&row=17

George V and Mary (?May) of Teck (by Laurits Regner Tuxen):
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=Marriage&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=402437&row=8&detail=magnify

Tsar Nicholas II (in the foreground on the left), Alix (next to him on the ?left), who are the elderly couple in front of the Tsar? possibly Friedrich Wilhelm of Mecklenburg-Strelitz and Augusta of Cambridge/Mecklenburg-Strelitz?, Francis of Teck (tall, red uniformed chap to left of Mary?) Alfred (directly behind Mary), Edward VII (looking very old and next to George V), Christian IX of Denmark (behind Edward VII), Alexandra (looking rather despondent next to her father), Louise of Denmark (sitting a bit to the right of Alexandra), who is the black uniformed gentleman behind Louise?, ?two sisters of George V as leading bridesmaids, a man in a red uniform to the left of Queen Victoria, Queen Victoria, George of Cambridge, Mary Adelaide (in the foreground), a ?sister/?niece of Alexandra? (in far back, right of George of Cambridge), a whole bunch of male royals...

George V and Mary (?May) of Teck (by Amadée Forestier):
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=Marriage&x=0&y=0&pagesize=100&object=920841&row=26

?Tsar Nicholas II, George of Cambridge, ?, ? (previous 2 question marks = Mary Adelaide's sons?), Mary Adelaide of Cambridge/Teck, ?, ?, Edward VII, Arthur, Alfred, Christian IX, Christian of Schleswig-Holstein, Alexandra, Louise, ?, ?, Victoria, ?, ?, ?, Henry of Battenburg, ? (bowing gent in front), ?, ?, ?.

Arthur of Connaught to Louise Margaret of Prussia (by Godefroy Durand):
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=Marriage&x=0&y=0&pagesize=100&object=409166&row=30

I'll try to get all the various IDs up if I can work them out... any help would be greatly appreciated.

Also more pictures to come.

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Re: British Royal Weddings--past and present
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 10:27:37 AM »


Mary Adelaide on left in blue & white dress with the Duke of Cambridge behind her and the Tsarevich (Nicholas II) behind him. It's probably Prince Alexander of Teck next to MA. The Duke of Teck is in red towards the back, probably with 2 of his sons. The little bridesmaid with her back turned is Princess Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg. You can also see Princess Beatrice of Coburg, Princesses Victoria & Maud of Wales fairly clearly with Princess Helena Victoria behind Princess Maud and Princesses Victoria Melita and Margaret of Connaught behind Princess Victoria. The bridesmaids behind Beatrice are Princess Alice of Battenberg and Patricia Connaught, I believe. Princess Alexandra of Coburg is probably the princesses/bridesmaid that's hardest to see. Next to Queen Victoria is Queen Louise of Denmark with the Princess of Wales next to her. The man right behind QV is the Marquis of Lorne with his wife Louise next to him. On the far right is Princess Louise and her husband the Duke of Fife. Behind the Princess of Wales is Prince Christian with Princesses Helena and Beatrice near him. The gentleman with the moustache next to QV is Grand Duke Ernst Ludwig of Hesse with Prince Henry of Battenberg behind him. The Prince of Wales, Prince Arthur and Prince Alfred are in the center back along with King Christian of Denmark.
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Re: British Royal Weddings--past and present
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 06:15:03 AM »
Once again, many thanks for the information.

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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 06:32:18 AM »

(1) QV & Albert's wedding (reviewed): Ernst II of SC&G (chap in blue to right of golden haired girl), Ernst I of SC&G (taller gent on right of Ernst II (he's holding a hat)), Queen Adelaide (to right of Ernst I), Albert & Victoria (in the middle, obviously), Lord Melbourne (holding sword), Prince Augustus of Sussex (skull-cap, on right of Victoria), Victoria (Duchess of Kent) (in between minister and woman in blue in foreground), Prince Adolphus of Cambridge (directly behind woman in blue in foreground), Princess Augusta of Cambridge (formerly of Hesse-Kassel) (on right of Adolphus).

The big not certains are: the red uniformed gentleman on the far right (who is standing next to the red dressed woman), the red dressed woman, the little golden haired girl, the woman in blue (directly in front of Adolphus of Cambridge) and the woman to her right.

Oh, and the bridesmaids.

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Re: British Royal Weddings--past and present
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2009, 07:30:45 PM »
Wonderful images & interesting information!:-)

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2009, 10:09:10 PM »
Edward VII and Alexandra (by William Powell Frith):
http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/eGallery/object.asp?searchText=Marriage&x=0&y=0&pagesize=20&object=404545&row=17

The guest list is from the New York Times:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2&res=9B01E6DA143EEF33A25754C0A9619C94629ED7CF

Identifications (as best I can) from L to R:
?Frederick of Denmark, ? (looks like Kaiser Wilhelm I, but he's not mentioned as having been there...?), Karl of Holstein-Glucksburg (elder brother of Christian IX), ?William of Denmark (George I of Greece), Maharajah Dhuleep Singh, ?Viscount Palmerston (older gent holding staff), Carl of Leiningen (half-nephew of Queen Victoria), ? (balding man with moustache), Edward of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (I think... it may be August of SC & G), Louis of Hesse and by Rhine, Ernest II of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha (although he's not mentioned as having been there, it does look like him), (girls/women in foreground on left) Thyra of Denmark, Dagmar of Denmark, ?Louise of Hesse, Alice, Leopold & Arthur (little boys in front of Bridal Party), Bridal Party (consisting of: Lady Victoria Scott (I think she's the one in the front row at the back), Lady Eliza Bruce, Lady Emily Villiers, Lady Feodore Wellesley, Lady Diana Beauclerk, Lady Victoria Howard, Lady Augusta York & Lady Eleanor Hare), don't know the 2 tall chaps behind Bridal Party (?royals, ?nobles, ?politicians), Edward VII, Alexandra, George of Cambridge (behind Edward VII & Alexandra), Christian IX, ?August(us) of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha or Philippe of Flanders (chap behind Christian IX & Louise), Waldemar (boy), Louise (wife of Christian IX), ?Alexandrine Of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha, ?Archbishop of Canterbury, Maria Hendrika of Brabant, Beatrice (little girl), Louise, Duchess of Cambridge, Mary Adelaide of Cambridge, Queen Victoria (up top in box).

Missing (mentioned in article, but can't seem to find them in the painting):
* Tsarevich Nicholas Alexandrovich (eldest son of Alexander II),
* Frederick of Hesse-Kassel (http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/hessen/hessenkassel4/1820%20Friedrich.JPG),
* ?Augustus of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha (presumably: http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-families/wettin/saxecoburggotha2/1818%20August.jpg)

Not sure who is in the arch - probably various officials (?diplomats).

Others present included:
* Lord Alfred Paget
* Lord Proby
* Viscount Bury
* Sir Charles Phipps
* Hon. Mortimer Sackville-West
* Lord Camoys
* Earl of St. Germans
* Lord Edward Fitzalan-Howard
* Viscount Sidney
* Lady Edith Somerset
* Lady Geraldine Somerset

That's the best I can do with that one for the moment.

Any additions or corrections would be appreciated.

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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2009, 03:53:37 AM »


Well, I've figured out the identities of some more figures, so I'll just update...

QV & Albert's wedding (reviewed again, new identifications in bold): Edward of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (nephew of Queen Adelaide (her sister's son)), ?George of Cambridge or ?George of Cumberland/Hanover (the young man behind and above Ernst of Hohenlohe-Langenburg), ?George of Cambridge or ?George of Cumberland/Hanover (the young man leaning on his hand to the right of the other young man), Ernst of Hohenlohe-Langenburg, Feodora of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (nee Leiningen, half-sister of Queen Victoria), ?Elise or ?Adelaide of Hohenlohe-Langenburg (golden haired girl, half-niece of Queen Victoria), Ernest II of SC&G (chap in blue to right of golden haired girl), Ernst I of SC&G (taller gent on right of Ernst II (he's holding a hat)), Queen Adelaide (to right of Ernst I), Albert & Victoria (in the middle, obviously), Lord Melbourne (holding sword), Prince Augustus of Sussex (skull-cap, on right of Victoria), Victoria (Duchess of Kent) (in between minister and woman in blue in foreground), Prince Adolphus of Cambridge (directly behind woman in blue in foreground), Princess Augusta of Cambridge (formerly of Hesse-Kassel) (on right of Adolphus).

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2009, 03:55:39 AM »
For those interested, here is a sketch of Feodora's eldest daughter Elise, for comparison:

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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2009, 09:14:23 PM »
I want to say that the little golden haired girl on the left is Mary Adelaide of Cambridge.