The Grand Duchess of Roberts Creek?

[QueenEna1887]

I saw on a forum a site called www.princessczar.com.  Its a Bed & Breakfast business in BC, Canada in a province of Roberts Creek owned by a woman named Ellen Louisa Marguerite Juliette Romanov Skobin Conville who goes by the nickname "Princess Elle" by friends.  Apparently she says her father Victor Skobin said his mother was the Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaievna and that she escaped to Siberia gave birth to him afterwards and then traveled on to Harbin in what was then called Manchuria.  Apparently after she gave him up in 1925 to the supervision of a maid's brother named Antony Nicifor Skobin.  She goes into great detail it seems as if she has a lot of history in her family. She does say her father was an orphan after his mother left and she moved to Canada and remarried.  But these were only in little short newspaper interviews I wish she went more in depth. She said later on in her life she and her dad lost contact of each other at the age of 10.  Victor Skobin had three kids herself and two boys.  When Elle's parents divorced he took the older son named Peter and her mother Helen kept her and her other brother.  She said afterwards she never saw him again.  He spent his whole life wanting to search for his mother. Eventually he found her and met up with her in a bittersweet phone call she was now called Mrs. Marr.  But her husband interferred and banned him from calling their home.  So he gave up and died alone and very early.  Who knows?  She believes she is a Romanov because of what her father told her.   If you ask me if you examine her features very well in one of her pictures iin a close up n her story's she looks as if she is Grand Duchess Maria (her possible grandmother) and the Empress Alexandra (her possible great-grandmother) mixed together very awkward but also a beautiful blend.  I know that doesn't mean anything but her features are very strong....she looks like a Romanov.  I wish she had more photos of herself on her website. But I encourage you folks to check it out. Read the story and judge for yourself. Im not saying I believe it but I' am saying there is a possibility and you just never know.   

[Forum Admin]

Read the story and judge for yourself. Im not saying I believe it but I' am saying there is a possibility and you just never know.   

There is nothing "possible" about the story. All of the remains of the Grand Duchesses have been found, tested, re tested, and shown without a doubt to be all of them.  Please go read the full report which is elsewhere in the Forum. We DO KNOW Maria was killed in Ekaterinburg and did not survive. There is no question that this is a true fact.  This woman's story is a load of poppycock with no truth about it. There is NO possibility, and we already know what happened. Go here:
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0004838

I quote:
Importantly, the two skeletal remains from the newly discovered grave show the same half allele sharing genotypes with both Nicholas and Alexandra as putative parents. When we calculated the LR of the hypothesis (H1) that samples 146.1 and 147 are the children of Tsar Nicholas II and Tsarina Alexandra (and siblings of the three princesses from grave one) compared to the alternative hypothesis that these samples are individuals completely unrelated to the Romanov family (H2), we found that the DNA evidence is 4.36 trillion times more likely if sample 147 is a daughter of Tsar Nicholas II and Tsarina Alexandra, and over 80 trillion times more likely if sample 146.1 is a son of Tsar Nicholas II and Tsarina Alexandra than if these samples were from two unrelated individuals.

The mtDNA results alone can be considered conclusive. The new samples matched exactly the mtDNA data of Tsarina Alexandra (and the HVI and HVII data of a living relative, HRH Prince Philip), indicating that these samples were maternally related to her. If one includes the anthropological information about these samples: specifically that one of the samples recovered from the second grave was most likely the femur of a young woman (sample 147), we can conclude that these samples were from the missing children of the Tsarina since the femora from the Tsarina and her three other children were recovered and accounted for in the first grave.

Autosomal STR genotypes were developed to form a family pedigree of the Romanov family. The DNA profiles of the two samples from the second grave fit perfectly into the family tree of the Tsar and Tsarina with all of the alleles of the two samples explained by Mendelian inheritance.

A 17-marker Y-STR haplotype from the remains of Tsar Nicholas II matched exactly to the Y-STR haplotype from femur of the male sample (sample 146.1) found in the second grave. The same 17-marker haplotype was also observed to match a living Romanov relative.

Taken together, all of the results and conclusions agree with the hypothesis that the samples recovered from grave two are the missing children of Tsar Nicholas II and Tsarina Alexandra.

[Douglas]

http://www.princess-czar.com/us.htm

I list above the correct URL for the fascinating but totally goofy family that operates a 'Romanov' bed and breakfast inn on the west coast of Canada.  We discussed this faux royal vacation motel  in the past years and had a good laugh.  I forget the name of the thread.  Maybe someone can post it.

As I recall the daughter has her poor bedragled mother slaving over a hot stove in the kitchen preparing meals for the guests while she sips cocktails in the salon of the inn whilst retelling stories of her family's impossible ties to the Imperial Family of Russia.

The sub-head of their logo states: "live the fairytale"......too funny for words.

Great entertainment reading for the weekend.  Sort of a Bates Motel gone royal.

PS:  One might say I look like a Romanov but I'm not.....but then you never know for sure....lol

[Vecchiolarry]

Hi Douglas,

I love it - - "poor bedraggled mother salving over a hot stove"  and  "the Bates Motel gone royal"
You are too funny and I'm still laughing...
Now all we have to hear is that Maria herself is in the basement, decaying as we speak...  Now, that would add more credulity to the story, don't you think???!!!

The name of the other thread where this was all previously discussed is:
More "Imperial" Descendants..
And, I think we agreed that the cat is the only credible one in the place!!

Love Ya!
Larry

[I am_Tatianochka]

I love it - - "poor bedraggled mother salving over a hot stove"  and  "the Bates Motel gone royal"
Now all we have to hear is that Maria herself is in the basement, decaying as we speak...

I don't believe this story for a moment, But I do find what Douglas said about ''Marie herself is in the basement, decaying as we speak...'' somewhat disrespectful towards the real Marie Nikolaievna. Just my opinion...

[QueenEna1887]

It was a disrespectful comment and was not necessary.

[Forum Admin]

Excuse me, but the stupid website you posted in the first place is FAR more disrespectful than any comment made here.

[QueenEna1887]

How so? Explain how stupid it was......I posted it because I wanted to get more information on it FA. How is me wanting to know more about something stupid!!! How am I offending anyone. The only person that seems to be offended on here is you because you take stuff so personally and it consumes you. No one else is offended.  I love history and the Romanovs just like you and most of the people on this discussion board. Just because I' am optimistic and believe the possibility of survivors not that I' am saying I believe this lady's claim has nothing to do with me being stupid. So dont you attack me because I didnt attack you.

[Forum Admin]

The site is offensive because: THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY ANYONE SURVIVED.  IT IS NOT OPTIMISTIC TO BELIEVE IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.  IT IS STUPID TO DISREGARD THE UNQUESTIONABLE FINDINGS OF THE RECENT REMAINS. 

I don't take it personally, rather I resent idiots who attempt to bring non-scientific garbage into the forum which can confuse new users and students about the genuine reality that NOBODY SURVIVED.  The tests proved so.  THERE IS NOT A QUESTION OR DOUBT. Period.

Your statements are exactly as if you said:  It is possible that people survived the Titanic sinking and I'm optimistic that a group of their survivors will be found one day on an uncharted island off the coast of Newfoundland.  Seriously, its exactly the same thing.

You ARE stupid if you disregard the scientific evidence and cling to a fictional "optimism".

[QueenEna1887]

Im not regarding anything and dont call me stupid because i'am not.  Ok....nor am I an idiot.  You dont know anything about me or even have the right to speak to me like that. Where is sense of class?

[QueenEna1887]

What I'am saying is I dont disregard anything at all. I read people's opinions and facts. People are entitled to believe what they want. You must really hate it when people disagree with you. You can't stand it.  I've read the scientifical facts all I' am saying is some  things can have discrepancies....like how you mentioned the Titanic incidence and yes survivors did show up and told their stories later on. But I' am not stupid nor am I an idiot and I' am highly educated nor are half the posts of topics I put on here confuse people and some people actually find them interesting.  You have no right to call me anything like such because I can say a lot of cruel stuff to you but it isnt worth my time.  Where is your sense of class. Seriously.

[Forum Admin]

Then let us approach it this way. Since you believe it is possible someone survived, kindly explain exactly how and why the scientific testing which has shown that all remains of the Imperial Family have been found, and verified to be Romanovs to a certainty of one in 46 TRILLION, are WRONG.

We have very strict rules in the forum. NO ONE is allowed, anymore, to advocate the notion that anyone survived, UNLESS and UNTIL they can answer this question above.

That rule has been in effect for quite a while, and is posted as a sticky in the Survivors section.

You WILL NOT mention the possibility of survival again in the public forum unless you can demonstrate why the tests are wrong. PERIOD.

[QueenEna1887]

Fine have it your way. I' am not going to go against the forum rules because I love this site and it's very interesting and fun and like I said I admire history as you do. I wish I could prove scientifically too you but I cannot for the time being but if I could, know for a fact I would. But as long as I 'am on this forum  you will not personally attack me or call me such names AGAIN!. Is that UNDERSTOOD? I respect you and you return it back. Other people on this forum may be afraid to express themselves to you but I 'am not and I have been nothing but civil to you and most of the members on this forum and I deserve back in return. Have a nice day.

[Vecchiolarry]

Hello,

Actually it was me and not Douglas who posted about "Maria decaying in the basement"...
And, I meant no disrespect to the real Grand Duchess Maria, who ended tragically....

I meant it as a "farce" in the face of the 'farcical and idiocy' of this perpetration of non-truth, which is this story.

One needs to ingest a good deal of humour into these claimants stories and that's what I attempted to do...
If anyone takes this story seriously - - PITY!!!

Larry

[QueenEna1887]

It's all good although I can understand the humor lol.  But I'm not saying I believe this claim but I must admit this story is far fetched lol.  I mean what proof does she have? All this woman recollects is what stories her father has filled her little bitty head up with as a child.   So as I read I had to think but the thought about it is interesting is all I'm trying to say.  I like interesting things doesnt mean I believe it or not. The whole claimant this is interesting. I dont believe all the claimants. For instance, Alexis Brimeyer was a complete mental case I did not believe his story at all.