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« Reply #30 on: August 04, 2011, 11:17:43 PM »
The scattered books,
Remains from what the Bolsheviks took.
The diary of a dead prince,
Found by a soldier who came too late.
The tears of the doctor’s son,
The sobs of the kitchen boy,
The day no longer golden.
The last letter,
Will not make things any better.
“Life is brutal”, indeed it ‘tis,
The shock that shakes him,
He can not comprehend.
To see his dearest friend,
Just one more time, before he dies,
It would mean the world, and so much more.


That is great. Thank you for sharing that.

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« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2011, 06:16:15 AM »
Maybe my remark is odd, but...

I then perceive, life is brutal....I found Leskela's last letter written to me

Leskela is a diminutive for Alexej i had never hearded before... amazing! That's really really interesting to me ^^
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« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2011, 06:29:37 AM »
I believe  both boys revered their names as a  special name to be used between them...so the name "Leskela" for Alexi , was one perhaps only Kolya. would use. 

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« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2011, 09:43:15 AM »
I believe  both boys revered their names as a  special name to be used between them...so the name "Leskela" for Alexi , was one perhaps only Kolya. would use. 

Annie! Stop reading my mind, please! LOl, i'm joking of course. But it was exactly the same thing i was thinking!
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« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2011, 11:08:54 AM »
I believe  both boys revered their names as a  special name to be used between them...so the name "Leskela" for Alexi , was one perhaps only Kolya. would use. 
Annie! Stop reading my mind, please! LOl, i'm joking of course. But it was exactly the same thing i was thinking!
Great Romanov minds think alike. This cannot be helped! lol!..... And I think it says that in the first post! lol!

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Re: Dr Wladimir Derevenko and his son Kolya (Nikolai)
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2011, 11:30:40 AM »
GrandDuchessAndrea , amazingly fabulous! Love it
That is great. Thank you for sharing that.
I'm very glad you both liked it!  :)
So, Leskela for Aleksel...? What? Leskela backwards spells "Aleksel"! That doesn't make sense! It should be Ieskela!  ??? As for Koyla, he would have been called "Alyok" or "Ialokin". hehe, how funny those sound!
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« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2011, 11:53:37 AM »
GrandDuchessAndrea , amazingly fabulous! Love it
That is great. Thank you for sharing that.
I'm very glad you both liked it!  :)
So, Leskela for Aleksel...? What? Leskela backwards spells "Aleksel"! That doesn't make sense! It should be Ieskela!  ??? As for Koyla, he would have been called "Alyok" or "Ialokin". hehe, how funny those sound!

I don't know if the L was a mistake on the part of Nena, the translator, or if Leskela was instead derived from Ieskela (which would be pronounced "yes-kela"). Since I am uncertain myself, I didn't say exactly why it is spelled that way. Sarushka knows more about this than I.
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« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2011, 12:02:57 PM »
But i'm quite sure Andrea has found the key - or, at least, it sounds really good. Reading the names from the back! That's great! Maybe it's not the right way to interpretate it - i don't know either - but it would be really funny!
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« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2011, 09:18:29 PM »
Didn't Anastasia ands Alexis have their own language? ...I think I read that...they would like  to have such as it afforded some  privacy in a crowded world ...even in Siberia there were 40 plus people about !  Everyone we think of as a servant, had their own servants  . At lest in the beginning

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« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2011, 09:43:58 PM »
  "blessOTMA, relative to your question on the "own language" between the GDuchess AN and the Heir:  Because of my on-going interest in formal/invented languages, sometime back, I vaguely recall a member of the Forum stated that this so-called spoken language had (if I recall correctly) the name of "Tarabar," or some derivative spelling thereof.   However, to my knowledge, they did not cite any specifically documented source/publication to reference such.                                                                      Regards,  AP.
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« Reply #40 on: August 06, 2011, 12:28:39 AM »
I have read it also, Annie, and this is giving me some troubles! I mean, i really wuld like to know how this "private code" worked, but, as AP kindly pointed out, there are no documents - or, at least, i've not found them till now.
I'm trying to imagine, and to invent it, also because - even if i'd found it, i cpuldn't use it literally being in russian XD
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« Reply #41 on: August 06, 2011, 01:58:27 AM »
Thank you aleksandr pavlovich and Sunny !  Given their mother's use of codes,( like the heart code none can crack! ) and the last two children's closeness,  I would be surprised if they didn't have some private means  to communcate to each other ...by until there is some proof, it remains speculation

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« Reply #42 on: August 06, 2011, 06:56:40 AM »
  I seem to recall that some word "coded" notes between the smallest girl and the Heir exist, but they are of childish "gobbledygook."  These WRITTEN exchange/s MAY represent examples of the SPOKEN so-called "Tarabar" invented language (undoubtedly a VERY limited "word-substitution" exchange of potentially several intermingled languages coupled with childish insertions).  
  I have now gone back and searched the board and there are only TWO references to "Tarabar" prior to this one.  Neither of the posters (one dropped out of sight in January of 2007) could produce a definitive origin/extent/authenticated extant spoken examples, etc., only saying that they read about it in a now non-remembered source.                                            Regards,  AP.
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Re: Dr Wladimir Derevenko and his son Kolya (Nikolai)
« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2011, 10:43:24 AM »
Holly posted this a while ago in the "Just to put this out there--Romanov style" thread.
I've only seen it mentioned in one book that I can remember.

Maria, Anastasia and Alexei would use the coded language to write each other messages and exchange them secretly. It appears to me to just be a change in spellings and such.
Here's the only sample published so far:

"To Her Highness stupid Marie and Anostoie. Thanks for thesnakck I rekon well befightin. M. A. Alexei. 1914."
Apparently Maria was included too.
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Re: Dr Wladimir Derevenko and his son Kolya (Nikolai)
« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2011, 11:39:50 AM »
makes sense as the Little Pair was together so much..

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