The Lower Dacha (New Palace), at Peterhof

[Joanna]

OH MY many thanks Amy for this fabulous detailed map and legend! Was the road just south of the Gothic Chapel the one that was closed and weed covered? Do you know how the rescue station is reached? Is the entrance to visit the Cottage through #57? Can you not follow the road path from the Cottage?

Also I am lost on #61 House of Konstantin. It looks small to be for a member of the family so I am wondering if it is named after a faithful courtier or servant.

I adore your map! Amy do you have similar map for Tsarskoye Selo  

Joanna

[Antonio_P.Caballer]

Hey, Amy!

It´s the very same map i bought in Peterhof right after reaching the seashore. There was a little shop close to the quay(?).

And Joanna, the sea is quite close to the palace, what happens is that it seems to be far because of the vegetation(another strange word i use for not knowing the proper one! ) growing in the seashore...

[Joanna]

Hi Antonio,

Then the Gulf of Finland has tides similar to what I know in Brittany no? The tide was out when you took the photo? Were the large stones that you wrote of part of this photo but hidden with vegetation? In one photo I have seen there is a circular garden path and then what appear as two parallel silons that jut out to the Gulf. Could you see these silons?

Many thanks for all these lovely details that I adore! Oh and do you Antonio have any maps similar like Amy's of Tsarskoye Selo  

Joanna

[Antonio_P.Caballer]

Hi Antonio,

Then the Gulf of Finland has tides similar to what I know in Brittany no? The tide was out when you took the photo? Were the large stones that you wrote of part of this photo but hidden with vegetation? In one photo I have seen there is a circular garden path and then what appear as two parallel silons that jut out to the Gulf. Could you see these silons?

Many thanks for all these lovely details that I adore! Oh and do you Antonio have any maps similar like Amy's of Tsarskoye Selo  

Joanna

Hello Joanna,

Yes, the stones were hidden with vegetation. Here you have a plan of Tsarskoe. Sorry for the delay but yesterday i was unable to access photobuck. I had to decide which part of the plan would you like the best and thought that the park was already enough reproduced and tried to show more of the city. Hope this helps you...

[Greg_King]

Very interesting photos, Antonio, and very different than the last time I was there-all of my pictures of the Lower Palace then show it completely concealed in a grove of trees, overgrown with weeds and vines, to the point where it was impossible to follow the foundations.  I'm glad to see that the clump of trees that fringed its southern side, separating it from the lower road and open meadow to the Cottage Palace, have been removed and that the area has been cleaned up.

Thanks for posting them.

Greg King

[amy]

Was the road just south of the Gothic Chapel the one that was closed and weed covered?

South being a relative term, yes.   Here's a picture of what this gate looked like in July:




And below this text is a photo of a sign that was near this gate. I can't read it, but maybe someone here who reads cyrillic can translate it? It *might* reveal why this gate is closed or it might be as simple as a message that reads, "stupid tourists, go home!"    

Do you know how the rescue station is reached?

I don't know! I've never heard of this location.

Is the entrance to visit the Cottage through #57?Can you not follow the road path from the Cottage?

Yes, the main entrance to the Alexandria Park is #57 and if you enter through this gate you should be able to follow the pathways to the LP.  My problem was we were in the Peterhof complex... There's also one other gate, but I can't verify that this gate is open. It's located just "North-West" from the Gothic Cathedral.

Also I am lost on #61 House of Konstantin. It looks small to be for a member of the family so I am wondering if it is named after a faithful courtier or servant.

I don't know the answer to this question either! Sorry!

[Mike]

The board reads:
The Lower Park's Maintenance Area
... and then a detailed explanation how the mowed grass, dropped-down leaves and cut-off branches eventually produced a fine natural fertilizer for Peterhof plants - which lacked them on a coastal unfertile soil.

[amy]

The board reads:
The Lower Park's Maintenance Area ...

Cool! Thank you! I really appreciate you translating it because not knowing what is said was driving me a little batty!

I'm off to resize, and possibly enhance, the park map

[Janet_Ashton]

OH
Also I am lost on #61 House of Konstantin. It looks small to be for a member of the family so I am wondering if it is named after a faithful courtier or servant.

The house is certainly small, but it IS actually named for a member of the family. This was the former guardhouse, refurbished by Stakenschneider circa 1841 for the second son of Nicholas I, Konstantin Nikolaievich, then aged 14. It is also known as the Admiral's house in his honour (he being destined for a career in the Navy). Other service buildings were also redesigned at the same time for his brothers Nikolai and Mikhail, as schoolrooms.

Janet

[Joanna]

My many many thanks Antonio for the map of Tsarskoye Selo! Although this thread is of Peterhof, I am thrilled to see this map! Do you see that Anna Vyrubova's house is made same color as the palaces? From research I understood that the house was part of the Imperial property and I believe this is another confirmation. I must still find who was her rent payable to.

Joanna

[Joanna]

Many many thanks Amy for the details to my questions and Janet for the clarification of House of Konstantin! Did anyone ever visit this house and has photos?

Joanna

[Antonio_P.Caballer]

My many many thanks Antonio for the map of Tsarskoye Selo! Although this thread is of Peterhof, I am thrilled to see this map! Do you see that Anna Vyrubova's house is made same color as the palaces? From research I understood that the house was part of the Imperial property and I believe this is another confirmation. I must still find who was her rent payable to.

Joanna

Hello Joanna!

The house is in the same color because this color designates the architectural monuments in the plan. I think the house was not an imperial property. I think Anna spoke about that in her memoirs....

Also, we´re going off the topic, so i promise to post any other non-lower palace information in its right place

[helenazar]

Antonio, I don't know if anyone else noticed it, but the map you posted is upside down    

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Hello Joanna,

Yes, the stones were hidden with vegetation. Here you have a plan of Tsarskoe. Sorry for the delay but yesterday i was unable to access photobuck. I had to decide which part of the plan would you like the best and thought that the park was already enough reproduced and tried to show more of the city. Hope this helps you...


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[Antonio_P.Caballer]

Hey Helen! You´re true

I didn´t notice it...i scanned the plan as i´m used to see Tsarskoe, as if you were reaching the city by car or train from Petersburg...

[amy]

Great map, but some of the numbers are difficult to make out.  Can you make it a bit larger?
Scott

I didn't make the map larger, but I *did* change the size and color of numbers.  I hope this helps!

Here's the new URL:
http://home.comcast.net/~kidwells/peterhof.html
Amy