The Lower Dacha (New Palace), at Peterhof

[Scott]

Amy,

Thanks.  I can see the numbers much better now.  By the way, what is the building, without a number, on the shore and about three inches (on the map) to the right of the Lower Palace ruins?

Scott

[amy]

Amy,

By the way, what is the building, without a number, on the shore and about three inches (on the map) to the right of the Lower Palace ruins?

Scott

I'm sorry. I don't know for sure. I think, but I'm not positive, that it's the second photo in post#51 from Antonio_P.Caballer. If I understood correctly this building was a service building during N&A's time, but Antonio will have to confirm this.

Amy

[BobG]

Scott,
On the Tickets to Russia Web site, which has great maps, I believe the building is shown as a rescue station.  Probably used today for those on the Gulf of Finland.
http://www.ticketsofrussia.ru/maps/peter2640.html
Bob

[Antonio_P.Caballer]

I'm sorry. I don't know for sure. I think, but I'm not positive, that it's the second photo in post#51 from Antonio_P.Caballer. If I understood correctly this building was a service building during N&A's time, but Antonio will have to confirm this.

Amy

Hello Scott and Amy,

The house to the right of the Lower Palace ruins is not the service building of my photograph. The service buildings were to the left of the palace, quite close, and do not appear in this plan.

The house to the left i saw, but it was surounded by a fence. It was similar to a victorian cottage. I tried to get closer and take photographs, but then i found one of those wonderfully kind russian "cujo-type" dogs that kept barking loudly till we were some miles off the house

[Joanna]

Hi Antonio,

If the Rescue Station is of the victorian cottage style then it must have been there c1900's rather than later built as that would have a more utilitarian style. I wonder what the use of this building was during Nicholas' reign or prior. Does anyone have any information?

Joanna

[Joanna]

Here's the link:Please note: Updated Map and slight URL change!
http://home.comcast.net/~kidwells/peterhof.html

In an interview to Sankt-Peterburgskiye Vedomosti by Mikhail Borisovich of the Hermitage on May 27, 2004, one of the architectural monuments proposed for sale by the St. Petersburg administration is "The Private Dacha palace and park ensemble (Petrodvorets)". Can anyone identify on Amy's map which palace it may be? Is it possibly the Farm Palace?

Joanna

[Vladimir_V.]

Joanna

The Private Dacha is the palace of emperor Alexander II. But it is not the Farm Palace. You can`t see it on Amy's map because there is big distance between this palace and the Alexandria park(some km from the right side of Amy's map). During WWII the palace was destroyed, but in 1950s-1960s was reconstructed (with new interiors) and used as a rest house.
There are only two small books about the Private Dacha:
1. Bolsheva K. Peterhof. The palace-museum "The Private Dacha".- M.-L., 1931.
2. Gushchin V.A. The Private Dacha.- SPb., 1997.
There are also some papers.
You can see the Private Dacha and the park here (first 9 pics): http://www.enlight.ru/camera/114/index.html

Vladimir, St. Petersburg.

[Joanna]

Many many thanks Vladimir for the clarification of the Private Dacha. Seeing Peter's photos from your link, I now understand it is Sergievka. I have other documents on Sergievka and Znamenka which I still must to read of my translations but never associated this as the Private Dacha!

Joanna

[BobG]

Joanna,
From Coryne Hall's Little Mother of Russia:
   "Although most sources state that Dagmar and Sasha spent the (wedding) night at the Anitchkov Palace in St. Petersburg, local historians say that in fact they went to a rococo villa two miles from Peterhof.  Known locally as 'My Property', it was the privately owned dacha of the Tsar and had been built by Stakenschneider in the reign of Nicholas I."
I think it is about two miles closer to St. Petersburg.
Bob

[Vladimir_V.]

Joanna,
I don`t agree with the author of this link. He took many good pics (big job!), but sometimes he did mistakes in the history. Private Dacha and Sergievka - two different palace-and-park complexes. I think it will be better if I try to draw a schematic of St. Petersburg suburbs.
Bob - two miles far from St. Petersburg.

Vladimir.

[Douglas]

Black Cat

In one of the photos taken at the Private Palace you can see a black cat.  This appears to be what is known as a "Russian Black".  They are the sweetest and most intelligent cats.... we have one and he's a real tiger.

Douglas

His name is 'Coal'....and also"Dar-Ling"...he has two names.  I'll post his picture later.

[Mike]

This appears to be what is known as a "Russian Black".  They are the sweetest and most intelligent cats...

In Russia, where all cats - even Siamese - are Russian by definition, this kind is known as "Siberian cat". Intelligent they are, and can be very nice and playful - when not in their claws-practicing mood.

[Joanna]

Private Dacha and Sergievka - two different palace-and-park complexes.

Many thanks Vladimir for your help on my confusion! I need to review my translation of Sergievka but now I understand it is a separate estate.

Joanna

[Vladimir_V.]

Rescue Station is the Forteguard. This was built in 1895 by architect A.I. Semenov. Full name of this building - the Forteguard near the mole (embankment) of sea arbour. (Because on the end of the mole small arbour was bult in 1839 by arcitect A.I. Stakenshneider.)  

[Vladimir_V.]

The former Forteguard and today the Rescue Station:

http://crazy-2.narod.ru/petrodvor/P-APark/Kzdanie.htm