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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2008, 12:10:25 PM »
Robert,

What book is that wonderful watercolor from?  Is it in English?  I'm always looking to expand my Russian Imperial architecture library.

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2008, 12:19:12 PM »
The book is PETERHOF 1705-2005 by Vernova & Znamenov   Abris Art Publishers [Russia] email  pompeev@mail.convey.ru ISBN 5-88810-064-1
 It is in English and covers Peterhof, Alexandria and Strelna. I forget what I paid for it in Russia, but it is  heavy and worth  hauling back home!
 If you order it, specify the English edition. It was translated from the Russian into several languages, as I recall.
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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2008, 01:26:56 PM »
Thank you so much for the info and fast response Robert!  I will definitely try to hunt it down.

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2008, 01:51:48 AM »
Thankyou to all but  one, who replied kindly.
To the other poster, I did  look at The Farm, BUT the pictures were very different to mine. I do research, and was smart enough, to deduct that The Farm might have been Ferme.

But do yo have to be rude in your answer?
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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #79 on: July 30, 2008, 06:41:07 PM »
The grandson of Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna had a private tour of the Ferme Palace recently:
http://www.petervestnik.ru/index.php?newsid=234

Among all the published statements last week by the Director of Peterhof, one quote is of the Ferme's 55 rooms that they were able to complete with furnishings etc. I am not sure if it is misquote. Can anyone confirm that there are 55 rooms?

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #80 on: July 31, 2008, 09:58:06 AM »
Had any floorplan of the Farm been posted? :-\

This is a floorplan of the ground-floor made by Shtakenschneider just before an engraving of the Alexander II rooms to the Farm.



Joanna,
There is a floorplan in "The Farm at Peterhof" and from it you can get a sense of its size. I certainly wouldn't be surprised that it had at least 55 rooms. 

I think it's rather interesting that your link tells they are rebuilding the New Palace, which is clearly only important in its connection to
N&A, but at the Alexander Palace there is talk of it being restored to its pre-N&A configuration.  This seems somewhat contradictory to me.

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #81 on: July 31, 2008, 10:42:01 AM »
The New Palace or Lower Dacha rebuilt to pre- N&A? They built it! I think that must just be wishful thinking, as there is  nothing but ruins there. And not even much of that. It would also cost a fortune, which the other palaces need, like Oranienbaum, Gatchina, etc.
 BTW, the fountain depicted earlier is not ast the Farm, which is in Alexandria Park, but at Peterhof.It is also known as the Chessboard Cascade. I think the artist took a  liberty at the Pyramid fountain is actually in another place,  not far away.

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #82 on: July 31, 2008, 08:12:26 PM »
Thanks BobG and Svatebel for the floor plan.

Robert Hall, my apologies as there were many links to Director Vadim Znamenov's interview on the reconstructions that the Peterhof Museum will be involved with of which I concentrated on the Lower Dacha. Among them is Oranienbaum:
http://www.tomchin.ru/city/news/8984.html

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #83 on: July 31, 2008, 08:23:39 PM »
No problem, Joanna. I have been  to both places  several times, at different times of the year. Although they adjoin each other, there is a world of difference between the rather  rustic nature of the Alexandria to the well manicured Peterhof.

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #84 on: August 01, 2008, 07:55:49 AM »
Joanna,
No need to apologize: there are definite plans to rebuild the lower Palace at Peterhof in the Alexandria park.  Here is the link you posted in the Lower Palace Thread:

http://saint-petersburg.ru/m/219583/nizhniy_dworets_petergofa_budet_wosstanowlen_cherez_3-4_go.html

I certainly understand with all the wonderful Russian sites you post, that sometimes remembering the correct reference is difficult, but keep posting!

Robert,
I was talking about restoring the AP to the configuration before Nicholas & Alexander's renovations (again making my case that the AP was most closely associated with N&A and should be restored to the way they lived in it), and comparing that to the decision to rebuild the Lower Palace which is only architecturally important because of its association with N&A.  I'm delighted however, that they will be rebuilding the lower palace and only hope that with the project the floor plans become available.

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« Reply #85 on: August 01, 2008, 08:09:55 AM »
I see, Bob.  I mis-understood.
 I have mixed feelings about both projects.  Where is the money coming from? Especially  for rebuilding the lower dacha. I knew there are "plans" to rebuild it,  but nothing concrete has been done. I could see restoring it, as the other "cottages" in the park have been, but there is nothing of it to restore.
 As for the AP, I can see a bit of N&A rooms being re-created, but the rest of the palace, I would love to see  in it's original state.  AS none of us has seen the long closed off wing, we really do not know what is left of either the original or the renovations done during the last reign.
 Again, where is the money coming from?

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #86 on: August 02, 2008, 10:52:13 AM »
Robert,
My guess is OIL, OIL, OIL!
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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #87 on: August 02, 2008, 11:05:06 AM »
But without the help of BP I imagine...

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« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2008, 11:38:34 AM »
There is so much need to restore the basic infrastructure in Russia, I imagine restoring and rebuilding palaces is pretty  far down the list.  Health care, OAPs, the military, etc.  I understand even the palaces restored after the war are in need of reburishment, because so  much was done so rapidly. Pavlosk needs it's dome replaced, for instance. And with the sudden death of the TS museums director,  nothing will be done there until a new person takes charge and organises his/her agenda. As I have said, I would love to see work on Gatchina & Oranienbaum come fiirst. IF the Lower Dacha is rebuilt, I would hope it is done properly and not just some Disneyesque tourist attraction. That would require a LOT of money.  Come to think of it, though, it does sort of look Disney from the old pictures and the  current drawings.

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Re: The Farm Palace, in Peterhof
« Reply #89 on: August 02, 2008, 02:34:45 PM »
The Director of Peterhof Museum Vadim Znamenov is world renowned. In interviews, he has stated how the funds are received and of disbursements for projects. A great portion is generated by the museum itself and government funds allocated amonst Russian museums allows for initial and completion of various areas earlier than envisioned. Just as the Ferme Palace is known more for its association with Alexander II, the Lower Dacha recalls the era of Nicholas II. As in the Cottage some rooms are dedicated to the memory of Empress Marie Feodorovna along with the Nicholas I, there is scope to incorporate different times. The collections that survived will honor the memories of many who heroically defended their patrimony.

The Tsarskoe Selo Museum will continue from the legacy of Dr. Ivan Sautov and the determination of the museum family will be his memorial and theirs.

Joanna