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"Between St. Petersburg and Europe: One woman's story"
« on: August 02, 2009, 08:49:42 AM »
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I who write this text is a granddaughter of a family that fled Russia in the times of the Russian Revolution (1917).

The text tells how hard it might have been for a grandchild for Russian emigrants, if that is the reason for this kind of a messy life. Our family fled because they were in danger to be killed (by  the Bolsheviks). This is a story of a emigrants in first and second generation.

There is some thinking about the meaning of your real nationality and being able to have your real nationality. For many people the roots are cut, the language the family used has changed and people feel rootless. It is difficult to feel rootless when times get hard and you don’t have work any more or money to sustain your living. The nationality that you have on paper and the feeling of your belonging to some country may not  match.  So one thinks about the meaning of your real, correct nationality. And what about if you could suit better some other society?
There is the feeling of being in a wrong place that you cannot get rid of.
What nationality you are really if you have roots for example from Russia, Ukraine or Poland, Sweden, Germany and France. Do you have a different way to talk and do you have a different body language than the local people that are in fact your countrymen and you couldn’t call them anything else as you are born in the same country. But will you become discriminated because you give some different signals than most of the people in the society where you live.

The family members carried a lot of information, stories and experience that they didn’t tell their children as they thought it was dangerous.  There were hidden secrets and feelings, you could feel something but the facts and real stories about what happened was not told to the children. All this ended in some kind of identity crisis when the Iron Curtain fell. It is about strange things that have happened but that don’t have any explanation that I could find. You may regard the things told as real or fantasy!

My text tells about relations between young people that never lead to anything (e.g. marriage). It says something about abortion, that has become so widely used in the society of today.  It deals with suicide that is something that too many people commit in this society. It has been stated in studies that in general there are more suicides among men that have emigrated. 

The text is about unemployment, being without any roles and the fact that nobody needs you to anything. You may ask if a person with some kind of emigrant background even in second and third generation carries a higher risk to become unemployed and an outcast of the society despite of a high school degree. You may ask if a person with some even distant emigrant roots are more often discriminated than others. Or is the discrimination probably because of the belonging to some old social class that don’t exist any more, but still works invisibly like a glass wall between people. And we are now living the time of “working class heroes” all over. Those stories are not any more any success stories, but people with such background have widely been recommended in different occasions on behalf of people belonging to other classes that maybe have been discriminated. An example is a job of a teacher that needed to have a book of some certain political party in order to get the job. There are people who still remember their roots among the Reds and have not forgot. And who were the Whites? The falling of the Iron Wall has put all kind of ideas to people’s minds and there seems to be a lot of things that they want to find out about their own personal history. For example people are interested in Karjala area and some even talk about having it back . In all this an emigrant grandchild can become very unsure and start to look for the roots of her own family history that are cut.

Some people cannot research their genealogy as the roots are cut and there is no information available in ordinary places. When that is the case you have to try to find something with other methods what ever they are.

I however found some tiny things that tells something, but what. I was almost throwing them away already as useless and they are hard to understand and it’s difficult to find any correct information about those. However I found similar things on the Kremlin Museum  websides, Russia. However finding some information also creates the feeling of fear. People from the east or somewhere are moving here as neighbors and you don’t have any idea about what people they are and where do they come from. However they seem to be rich and move to live into more expensive houses than the local people. What language do they speak – Russia or what? Even that is something I cannot decide when I hear them speak. There is nobody – no specialist – you could ask anything of. You just have to accept the modern development and the very rapid change in the society.

As a grandchild to some emigrants it would be interesting to travel to some places that I have heard my grandparents talk about. Somehow people carry memories of their living places in their minds and they create security. But an grandchild of some emigrant have nothing but roots that are cut. And during my whole lifetime I lived as if there was nothing on the other side of the sea outside my home. And then suddenly a whole new world opened and there is a city with about five million people living only about 350 km from us. And suddenly you understand that that is the world even you yourself belong to. However you don’t know if that world is hostile and dangerous for you or if it would welcome you today. Whom could I ask? In many countries you even get the nationality of that country if two of your two grandparents are from there. So could I have the Russian nationality? Could I have a double nationality?




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Re: "Between St. Petersburg and Europe: One woman's story"
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2009, 08:59:34 AM »
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Many people have got high education and good positions and become rich during the last centuries and they are travelling around and buying property. But this is an opposite story. I have to stay were I am born and I do not have the money to travel. This is a story of a well educated woman that comes from a good family but ends to become an outsider of this society and without any roles and nothing to do, but sit at home and think how come thing went this way. And around you are too many men that die too young. And there are middle-aged, high school educated men, that don’t work in their branch but are on sick leave, retired, unemployed or only drive the bus or taxi. It is a story about how a to become very poor and end outside the society as an outcast. Even to travel with bus in the local bus to the city is too expensive. I already know the food queues that the Church has. They get waste food from the local market store and they give it to people who lack money. You have to be on Church yard about 8 o’clock and you get a number. About  9 o’clock they start to deliver the food. This is about becoming poor in this country and it is a process that takes as much time as you spend in your working life. Some regard it maybe their own fault but I have started to think that it is something in this system that has started to work automatically.  People are pushed into poverty and other people (rich people, but who) come and inhabit the areas soon. The process has something similar than what has been in Indian reservates. People kill themselves with their lifestyle, alcohol and phsychofarmaca etc and that is the way they commit a collective suicide and nobody is to be blamed for some genocide of some class in a certain society. That I almost what I think is going on in our beautiful country. This is modern civil war and war worldwide without arms but with invisible methods and it cannot be stopped by the army. And this is called globalization.  To talk about fighting against the terrorist is just a joke and maybe done in order to make people blind to things that are in fact going on. And it seems already that all decendants of Russian Emigrants that fled in the times of the Revolution have all disappeared and it is useless to try to find a friend from that group of people. But if you know somebody real, please ask him or her to contact me.

This story is a painful story from St.Petersburg to Europe and European Union and it doesn’t lead to anything else than death. That is the only coming thing to wait for. But we all end some day into our graves – sooner or later regardless the living conditions where we live.

There is only the question left that is this only a special case (and a special discrimination case) or is it of genocide of a part of the population here (and even in other places where local people get poor and have to move and rich people inhabit their areas). Who is running this system and invisible method and have the power?  Is this a question of inheriting something from the II World War – the children of the important persons have now reached middle age and people are travelling like hell from one place in the world to another place and makin aquaintances. And I have wondered what this is about! But there is surely also the question where did all those people go that were important in times of the Iron Curmtain and what do they do now. Do they emigrate to places like this and just start to live as our neighbors? With ”working class hero” background it has been easy to reach good positions. But everybody knows how the outcasts and unemployed people sit in the bars and drink from morning to late evening and more and more people are diagnostised some mental problem. Who would dare to look closer to the cases where people become poor and end outside the society.  Could there be overrepresented the former upper class of this tiny society – as for example so many men around me have died too early.

These are questions that only a mad woman here can ask, that try to support some good men of this country that have ended in dept prison in their own country.

There is no answers to these questions but if there is something then let other people do the investigation if they consider it necessary. Everything is possible in this unbelievable world of us that is getting too crowded and where there is not living place any more to all people. Maybe somebody writes in some history books sometimes in the future that this was the area where the Finns used to live before they just disappeared.

I would gladly work for Russia today if there is some work I could do? Could Russia somehow notice emigrant’s decendants and ask them to be a part of building the modern Russia of today. I have waited for this for fifteen years since I saw Mr. Gorbacov drive in a car through my living area perhaps to the Drottningholsm Castle in Sweden.



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Re: "Between St. Petersburg and Europe: One woman's story"
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2009, 03:48:56 AM »
I am so sorry that I wrote this text in a hurry and didn't correct it before I put it here. Now when I read the text I wonder what others understand about this text because it is so badly written. I would like to remove it an put a better written text here instead.

Greetings,

Amely

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2009, 06:41:23 AM »
Amely:
 You can contact one of the Moderators listed above this topic and click on their name and request they remove it or you can just add to it by asking questions! Do you have any Family names for instance or identification that you have...even things you cannot read! There are others on the Board that are researching their Russian Roots and some one may be able to help.
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Re: "Between St. Petersburg and Europe: One woman's story"
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2009, 04:05:37 AM »
Dear Mari!

Tank you very much in reacting to this article.  I am very sorry, but I cannot understand what you mean with the last part of your answer.

How do you mean that others seeking their Russian roots could help me? And what do you mean with the surnames in your text? I know the Russian surnames of our family, but I surely cannot put them here. Maybe some day some now closed archives might bee opened and I could enter them and find some connections to Russia and France where some information might be kept.

Greetings

Amely

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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 10:31:11 AM »
Dear Amely,

I read your text and had shivers as I read: I too am the granddaughter of Russian emigrés. I too had a Mother who shared bits and pieces of who we were, yet not enough because she had a horrible fear; that it would be too dangerous to have her children know all. That we would be "found".  We were told enough to give us a sense of who we were yet not enough to endanger us. I can relate to your text completely and I too am desperately trying to find information on my family, but where I use researchers and think I have a good chance, the search is stalled or blocked or outright not authorized as the information is still sealed to this day. From one emigré grandchild to another: I understand and we should share information to help one another...all of us!

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 12:16:49 PM »
Hello everybody reading this text!

My English is so bad that I am not sure that I have understood right the comments I have received. Thank you very much for all you comments.

Already a very long time I have been interested in collecting life stories and fragments of life stories of decendants of emigrants. Here we call those people emigrants and not emigrees. According to my dictionary both words are right but the other one means that the people have emigrated because of political reasons. It seems to me that the word emigrant is correct if you speak about those who fled the revolution for political reasons. Then there are people who fled for other reasons for example poverty or wanted to start a new life somewhere else. I find it important to use the right word in this connection as there have surely been even people fleeing for other reasons than for the fear of loosing their life. Even the land slavery in Russia was ended two or tree years before the slavery enden in America and who knows there might have been a lot of such emigrants. I even have heard that there were some communist among those who left Russia in those times as they wanted to spread the communist idea to America, too.

If there are some people who want to send their texts to me I would be interested in collecting them to a book and publish it. Such a book could be as a healing process for those who miss their Russian roots. I am not thinking of making money on behalf of those who want to participate. I just have time for such a thing and more material to the rudiment of my book would be wellcomed. I have been building a family tree as far as it has been possiible on the adress ancestor.com

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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 12:24:58 PM »
I just got some problems with my computer so that my previous text was not compliced. I just wanted to say that if somebody is interested in this project about life stories of Russian emigrants of all kind I could start to run the job. Maybe some travels to Russia could be interesting, too for participants.

What do you say to this?

I am looking forward with interest to all new friends that have some Russian roots that have been denied. Somebody said that the people who have such roots are a too homogenous group and don't have much in common. But let's see.

If there will be some material we will find a way how I can receive it.
Greetings to everybody

Amely


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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2009, 11:56:05 AM »
Amedeo Modigliani (probably a Jew) was a painter who lived in Paris in the 1920-ties. If I remember right from the books I have read very long ago he was a friend of Anna Ahmatova (she was culture emigrant as it is said that she travelled out from Russia already before the Revolution 1917 and even during later years) and Tamara Lempicka who became a painter in Paris too, but travelled to USA where her paintings were not any more so good.

I have a very long text written about this topic in my cellar - probably I should see to it now and take some topics from there.

I find a lot of similarities in the paintings of Tamara Lempicka and Amedeo Modigliani and somehow they even remind at least me of the icons of the Russian Orthodox Church.

ISBN number to the Tamara Lempicka book 0-7148-2615-4.

I was studing art at Stockholms University in Stockholm in those times when I wrote the texts but my work was not accepted by the university. But later those topics have come up to Internet in several ways. And I feel somewhat bitter.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2009, 04:07:38 AM »
A maybe somewhat better version of the text is available in adress

betweenstpetersburgandeurope.blogspot.com

If there is somebody who could correct my text in English there, I would be very grateful. I would appreciate even other comments about the text as for example if you can understand what I am trying to say or not.

Thanks a lot and greetings

Amely

 

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2009, 11:20:16 AM »
A maybe somewhat better version of the text is available in adress

betweenstpetersburgandeurope.blogspot.com

If there is somebody who could correct my text in English there, I would be very grateful. I would appreciate even other comments about the text as for example if you can understand what I am trying to say or not.

Thanks a lot and greetings

Amely

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=11015.0
I do not continue on my story, because I got e-mail from Ekaterinburg that they can not find for me any more informations. :(

  
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2009, 12:09:02 PM »
Hello Nikl!

Thank you for your message and your information. What about if you wrote here a story of your own about how it is and how it feels to be a decendant of some Russian emigrant or emigré. I would wellcome your story. You surely have a lot to tell and it would be nice if the story was somewhere so that others can read it and get an impression of how it is to be a decendant of some emigrants.

Your grandmother was so young when she fled that she must have fled with some grown up people. It is nice to see how well clothed even little girls were. I don´t have any pictures taken so that my grandparents were so well clothered even though my grandmother was an opera singer in the local opera house there in St.Petersburg. My grandfather carries his uniform och an engineer in the pictures I have. In one picture I have I almost think they look miserable. But their life must have been horrible in those days. When they fled they were not able to take anything with them. My grandmother put some valuable things in childrens cushions and my grandfather dig the car tyres into the ground outside their somehouse. My grandmother was sent to Crimea, but that was a wrong decision and she took the train wagon back to St. Petersburg direction and fled with her two babies. My grandfather left the country somewhere near Sevastopol.  It must all have been a mess.
Some emigrants were recommended to take the ship to Constantinopel and my grandmother too. However she got the feeling, that she should't do that and she didn't. And as soon as the ship had left the shore it explored with a lot of emigrants on board.

Tell us what, please, what you know...we would appreciate. Thank a lot in advance.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2009, 05:54:46 AM »
I have to add and correct some things in my texts.

I mentioned Tamara Lempicka, an artist in Paris from the 1920-times, because she was a emigrant from Russia, though with Polish roots. Her husband was a Russian lawyer. The emigrants had great difficulties to support their living and so they had lack of money all the time. Tamara mixed herself with the artist in Paris then and tried to make her living with her paintings. And she managed. Her husband had more difficulties and the book only tells that they diforced. But what happened to her husband I don't know.

In one text I write that Russian emigrants were such a homogenous group that they cannot be gathered. I mean that they are such a heterogenous group that the task is impossible. However I am interested in all kind of people who call themselves for Russian emigrants.

Please, visit my blog and comment there too if you don't want to comment here. All kind of ideas and comments are wellcomed. I even appreciate if somebody thinks that I have to remove all my writing here.

The adress to my blog is:  betweenstpetersburgandeurope.blogspot.com

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Re: "Between St. Petersburg and Europe: One woman's story"
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2009, 06:48:19 AM »
I also wrote the text "Suggest somebody before the French Revolution! The House of Capets???"

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 04:47:55 AM »
I am also a grandchild of a Russian Immigarnt who fled the Bolsheviks & who wants to read the stories from others with families that fled.  My grandmother's story has been published for those who are interested -

She Cried for Mother Russia, A Princess in San Luis Obispo, by Friedl E. Semans Bell. 

If you are interested in this book, there are 2 ISBN #
ISBN 10: 0-615-30007-3  &
ISBN-13: 978-0-615-30007-8


I have no commercial interest in this book.


Barbara