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von Muller
« on: August 19, 2009, 01:09:21 PM »
My greatgrandfather was from the family of von müller. I haven¨t found any baron-müllers, so it could be possible that he is meller-zakomelsky.I have several clues fort this assumption

a)I had friend in my elementary who said that my family tried to save the Tsar. He said a long name with z on it.
B)descritption fit them (yellow skin, ugly, wrong ankles, big nose, black (and curly) hair, cruel short and intelligent)
c) my  grandmother said they have been featured in two books by leo tolstoi, with the book being  ``hadzi murat``, and she told me to read the other book, that ``tells about the family``, that is known as ``The Devil`.
D)they were originally von Müllers and they were like my grandmother told me refugees from two countries (they escaped germans and russians)

My grandmother was yellowskinned, black and curly hair, and big nose and she had brown eyes, like her father, who looks like Vladimir Vladimirovich Meller-Zakomelsky, although my grandmothers grandfather cant be him, because he was the first child, while VV MZ was the youngest child

Also my greatgrandmother told me that they were also:
that their great grandfather had a factory
they were bastards of pavel I (although she was very old when she said this could of been Peter the Great, who looks like Ivan Ivanovich meller-zakomelsky)
they are relatives of tolstoi
they were Tsars favorite children
they were barons

So, what I need to know:
-were they related to the Tsar
-were they meller-zakomelskys
-who were my grandmothers greatgreatgrandfather

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Re: von Muller
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2009, 01:04:28 AM »
It's hard to say anything on "von Mullers" as "Muller" is a very common family name in Germany and other countries.

As for the Meller-Zakomelskiy family then:

1. They were not related to the Tzars and were not theirs' favourite children.
2. They were not related to the Tolstoys, but a son of Lev Tosltoy was a class-mate of Vladimiri Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelskiy.
3. They had a title of Baron, the first who was granted the titile was Ivan Ivanovitch M-Z (1725-1790).
4. Vladimir Vladimirovitch M-Z (1863-1920) really had a factory and a large estate near Saint-Petersburg. After the 1917 Revolution he was a very active member of the White Movement. Here's  alink to an article about him and his photo: http://www.nivestnik.ru/2006_1/13.shtml

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Re: von Muller
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 07:48:47 AM »
It's hard to say anything on "von Mullers" as "Muller" is a very common family name in Germany and other countries.

Well, but I havent found any baron Mullers



As for the Meller-Zakomelskiy family then:

1. They were not related to the Tzars and were not theirs' favourite children.

http://www.ohiolink.edu/etd/send-pdf.cgi?miami1092927320  search for romanoff

2. They were not related to the Tolstoys, but a son of Lev Tosltoy was a class-mate of Vladimiri Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelskiy.
Well, this link could be from Fjodor Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelsky, since my grandmother didnt say who was what, so that makes it harder.
It's hard to say anything on "von Mullers" as "Muller" is a very common family name in Germany and other countries.

As for the Meller-Zakomelskiy family then:

1. They were not related to the Tzars and were not theirs' favourite children.
2. They were not related to the Tolstoys, but a son of Lev Tosltoy was a class-mate of Vladimiri Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelskiy.
3. They had a title of Baron, the first who was granted the titile was Ivan Ivanovitch M-Z (1725-1790).
4. Vladimir Vladimirovitch M-Z (1863-1920) really had a factory and a large estate near Saint-Petersburg. After the 1917 Revolution he was a very active member of the White Movement. Here's  alink to an article about him and his photo: http://www.nivestnik.ru/2006_1/13.shtml
It's hard to say anything on "von Mullers" as "Muller" is a very common family name in Germany and other countries.

As for the Meller-Zakomelskiy family then:

1. They were not related to the Tzars and were not theirs' favourite children.
2. They were not related to the Tolstoys, but a son of Lev Tosltoy was a class-mate of Vladimiri Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelskiy.
3. They had a title of Baron, the first who was granted the titile was Ivan Ivanovitch M-Z (1725-1790).
4. Vladimir Vladimirovitch M-Z (1863-1920) really had a factory and a large estate near Saint-Petersburg. After the 1917 Revolution he was a very active member of the White Movement. Here's  alink to an article about him and his photo: http://www.nivestnik.ru/2006_1/13.shtml
3. They had a title of Baron, the first who was granted the titile was Ivan Ivanovitch M-Z (1725-1790).
4. Vladimir Vladimirovitch M-Z (1863-1920) really had a factory and a large estate near Saint-Petersburg. After the 1917 Revolution he was a very active member of the White Movement. Here's  alink to an article about him and his photo: http://www.nivestnik.ru/2006_1/13.shtml
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Re: von Muller
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2009, 07:53:33 AM »
It's hard to say anything on "von Mullers" as "Muller" is a very common family name in Germany and other countries.

Well, but I havent found any baron Mullers




As for the Meller-Zakomelskiy family then:

1. They were not related to the Tzars and were not theirs' favourite children.

http://www.ohiolink.edu/etd/send-pdf.cgi?miami1092927320  search for romanoff

2. They were not related to the Tolstoys, but a son of Lev Tosltoy was a class-mate of Vladimiri Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelskiy.
Well, this link could be from Fjodor Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelsky, since my grandmother didnt say who was what, so that makes it harder.
It's hard to say anything on "von Mullers" as "Muller" is a very common family name in Germany and other countries.

As for the Meller-Zakomelskiy family then:

1. They were not related to the Tzars and were not theirs' favourite children.
2. They were not related to the Tolstoys, but a son of Lev Tosltoy was a class-mate of Vladimiri Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelskiy.
3. They had a title of Baron, the first who was granted the titile was Ivan Ivanovitch M-Z (1725-1790).
4. Vladimir Vladimirovitch M-Z (1863-1920) really had a factory and a large estate near Saint-Petersburg. After the 1917 Revolution he was a very active member of the White Movement. Here's  alink to an article about him and his photo: http://www.nivestnik.ru/2006_1/13.shtml
It's hard to say anything on "von Mullers" as "Muller" is a very common family name in Germany and other countries.

As for the Meller-Zakomelskiy family then:

1. They were not related to the Tzars and were not theirs' favourite children.
2. They were not related to the Tolstoys, but a son of Lev Tosltoy was a class-mate of Vladimiri Vladimirovitch Meller-Zakomelskiy.
3. They had a title of Baron, the first who was granted the titile was Ivan Ivanovitch M-Z (1725-1790).
4. Vladimir Vladimirovitch M-Z (1863-1920) really had a factory and a large estate near Saint-Petersburg. After the 1917 Revolution he was a very active member of the White Movement. Here's  alink to an article about him and his photo: http://www.nivestnik.ru/2006_1/13.shtml
3. They had a title of Baron, the first who was granted the titile was Ivan Ivanovitch M-Z (1725-1790).
4. Vladimir Vladimirovitch M-Z (1863-1920) really had a factory and a large estate near Saint-Petersburg. After the 1917 Revolution he was a very active member of the White Movement. Here's  alink to an article about him and his photo: http://www.nivestnik.ru/2006_1/13.shtml

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Re: von Muller
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2009, 06:56:53 AM »
http://88.217.241.77/amburger/index.php?id=1011837

Who is this Vladimir Meller-Zakomelsky? I dont think he is Vladimir Vladimirovich?
Also I have neutralised several "candidates" from the MZ list, and these are: Nikolai Ivanovich and Alexander Meller-Zakomelsky, because Nikolai died in 1887 and my greatgranpa was born in 1903 and said that his  grandparents took care of him, and it cannot be Alexander, beacause he died in Nizza, while my greatgrandpa said that they died on his outside of his house.

Then there is VV MZ, who most likely isnt my "direct" relative (although there are possibilities, but not most likely), for VVs father died in 1862 (while VV was born on 1863?) and as said his grandparents took care of him, so this is ruled out, and his father being the child of VV is almost impossible, for his father married twice and his wife was born in 1880, and she had to be atleast twenty, so...

Now I need to know who this mysterious Vladimir is, for he could be my greatgrandpas grandfather.
Now there are so many different branches it seems overwhelming, but eventually I must find it.