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Vassili_Vorontsoff

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« Reply #90 on: December 08, 2007, 07:01:35 AM »
I print all the articles of the website to keep safe to any web changes...

Thoses shots and comments are priceless!

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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #91 on: December 08, 2007, 01:12:09 PM »
Thank you very much, Janet!! :)

I hope you'll be able to find the floor plans, one day.

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« Reply #92 on: December 13, 2007, 03:42:36 AM »
And someday that someone, decide to recontruct what is after all part of polish history...

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« Reply #93 on: January 14, 2008, 04:32:31 PM »
The photo is the old building. Nicholas II rebuilt it as a great gothic castle. If i can find the magazine there was an article in Royalty Digest some years ago

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« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2008, 02:52:53 AM »
The photo is the old building. Nicholas II rebuilt it as a great gothic castle. If i can find the magazine there was an article in Royalty Digest some years ago

Really? I did not know, so Nicholas and Alix did not use that building, is that correct?

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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #95 on: January 17, 2008, 01:40:53 PM »
The photo is the old building. Nicholas II rebuilt it as a great gothic castle. If i can find the magazine there was an article in Royalty Digest some years ago

Really? I did not know, so Nicholas and Alix did not use that building, is that correct?

I think there might be some confusion here, and as I am one of the authors of the article I THINK is alluded to here (I'm not aware that RD ever published another on Spala) perhaps I can clarify. The "great Gothic castle" was at Bialowieza, as alluded to in other threads. The house at Spala pictured in this thread is indeed the one that Nicholas and Alexandra used. It was built by Alexander III and is in the style known in Poland as "Zakopanskim" - indeed, it reminds me of a horrid hotel in Zakopane I once stayed in, which smelled of rotting food..... the house at Spala, like Bialowieza, is no longer there, but the site is a training ground for Olympic athletes.
The article I think Norbert is talking about is "It was heavenly in the forest: hunting in Poland with the two last Tsars", the authors of which are Greg King and me. It was published in Royalty Digest Quarterly in 2006.
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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #96 on: January 17, 2008, 02:09:36 PM »
Thank you for clarifying the point.

In fact I was a little confused, even becouse, if I am right, Spala and Bialowieza were not particularly nearby.

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« Reply #97 on: January 18, 2008, 07:11:44 AM »
Thank you for clarifying the point.

In fact I was a little confused, even becouse, if I am right, Spala and Bialowieza were not particularly nearby.

Yes - Spala is south of Warsaw, whereas Bialowieza is in the east, and in the Tsarist period - after the Third Partition - was technically a part of Russia (as opposed to Russian-occupied Poland, the Congress Kingdom, which became fully Russian only after the Uprising of 1830 and is culturally different to the eastern areas)
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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #98 on: January 18, 2008, 08:26:34 PM »
Although off-topic somewhat as this relates to Bialowieza, it may assist forum members to access the incredible work of Janet Ashton, Greg King and other authors with links to their treasure trove of articles:
http://www.directarticle.org/
Authors/Articles:
http://www.directarticle.org/Contents.html
Bialowieza:
http://www.directarticle.org/bialowieza_contents.html

Amazing scope of historical research! And the travelogues of Sue Woolmans were a treat to discover! How I would love to read a new one every month!

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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #99 on: January 19, 2008, 08:54:58 AM »
Although off-topic somewhat as this relates to Bialowieza, it may assist forum members to access the incredible work of Janet Ashton, Greg King and other authors with links to their treasure trove of articles:
http://www.directarticle.org/
Authors/Articles:
http://www.directarticle.org/Contents.html
Bialowieza:
http://www.directarticle.org/bialowieza_contents.html

Amazing scope of historical research! And the travelogues of Sue Woolmans were a treat to discover! How I would love to read a new one every month!

Joanna



thanks for the heads-up - it's nice that people enjoy it and find it useful.

Sue is a very funny, well-informed and entertaining writer, but some of her travelogues pre-date digital cameras so she has to scan the pics as and when - and this is why it is taking a while to get them all up. Hopefully there will be another site update before too long, as Will Lee has been working on an article based on Dmitri Pavlovich's diaries for some time now, and this would be a very unique and exciting addition. I am also hoping for another new author, who has been translating and annotating the letters sent by various politicians to Alexandra during the war - very new and fascinating stuff, previously published only in Russian - so I hope that will be up someday as his other work writing and teaching alllows.
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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2008, 01:55:29 AM »
Amazing photographs.

I had the impression that Spala was deep in the forest and surrounded by trees so thick that the sun rarely, if ever, got through.  From the picture it looks to have been quite out in the open.

It is not the classically beautiful imperial residence, but then it was intended for a hunting lodge and therefore looks more "rustic".

Thank you everyone for all the information and the links.

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« Reply #101 on: January 20, 2008, 02:24:39 PM »
Joanna, I am so grateful that you let us know about these wonderful sites of Janet Ashton's and all of the others.  I had no idea they were out there.  I admire Janet Ashton and Greg Kings work highly. 

I am really looking foreward to the article of William Lee's about Dimitri P.

The photographs on these sites are so wonderful!

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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #102 on: August 15, 2008, 01:18:50 PM »
A view of Spala c1920s-1930s when a residence of Polish Presidents - Alexandra's balcony on the left was retained in those years:

http://www.spala.pl/historia/rez_p_prez.jpg

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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #103 on: December 25, 2008, 11:29:13 AM »
Hello,

As I have gathered from the previous discussions, some of you were interested in what happened to these places after WWI i.e. who owns them now etc. The point is that I live some 60 km from Spala and 55-60 km from Skierniewice, and I `ve also been to Bialowieza.I`m also interested in history, and , incidentally, I write for a Russian magazine in oland, and I `ve published a series of articles on these mansions hence I can tell a lot about these places. I will also enclose some pictures(as soon as I learn how to do it).
1.Spala. between the IWW and IIWW this place served as a residence for Polish presidents. They often went hunting here. They also organized an annual harvest festiwal in September when the authorities thanked farmers for their job. Farmers proudly resented their achievements.
Durinh WWII the German established their headquaarters here. In 1945, when the Soviet army was rapidly advancing, the hunting lodge , which was wooden, was burnt down during one of the battles. They say, however, that the palace was deliberately burnt town. A Soviet officer ordered to set fire to the house of the tzars. I have no idea which version is correct as there is no plausible evidence.
With the arrival of socialism, the authorities established a resort for the working class. Their stay here was partially finanaced by the  government. After the overthrow of communism, this resort changed its owner but people love coming here though it seems weird that the authorities of the resort do not use this fact to promote tourism and to show this place to tourists. Also, the Olympic centre is located here where polish sportsmen train and live.
Many objects have been preserved. Alexandra Fedorovna`s glasshouse (for flowers) has been transformed into a pension. The house next to this one (her carriages were kept here) houses a drugstore and a cafe. Hunting trophies (horns) hang on the wallls of a restaurant POD ZUBREM. there is also the former hotel fot the tzar`s guests- it is a resort as well. There are also some small houses from those times. In the woods, there is a hill made of stones commemorating the last visit of Alexander III, two stones have the engravings with the dates of the last huntings, before his journey to Livadia. There is also a road to the next village built at the time of Nikolay II. Anyone interestted? I will gladly answer your questions.

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Re: Imperial houses in Poland: Spala, Skierniewice, Bialowieza
« Reply #104 on: December 25, 2008, 11:16:10 PM »
I would be most interested in the exact location of Spala  because I want to locate it on Google Earth.  If anyone forum member also knows, please post it.  I would appreciate it.  Thank you.