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The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« on: September 08, 2009, 08:11:08 AM »
Can we compare the three daughters (Maria, Olga, Alexandra) of Nikolai I.? How was their character and the relationship between them and to their brothers and parents? I guess it's not comparable with OTMA, is it? :-)
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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2009, 09:30:07 AM »
In my opinion, it's not comparable with Nicholas II and Alexandra's daughters, but from what I read, Tsar Nicholas I adored his daughter Alexandra (maybe she was his favorite?), her death was devastating for him.
I don't know much about the relations between Nicholas I's sons and daughters...however, I don't think that they were united like OTMA...or I'm wrong?...

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2009, 11:49:03 AM »
The three daughers of Nikolay I seem to be very intersting to me. May be because they are so remote in time...it is so intersting to discover lives of women who lived under compleely diffeent circumstances. Of course, they were the Emperor`s dughters, their lives differed from those of their contemporary females.Distance in time and their status make their lives and first of all mode of thinking a little bit incomprehensible to us.
But as for the death of Alexandra, the Tzar accoeding to the memories of Olga, the Queen of Wurtemberg, started growing older after her death. he never recovered from this loss. he even ordered to change completely the interior of the room where she lay dying because this look was too painful for him.
According to Queen Olga,the girls were so close to each other, and their upbringing so similar, that their aunt laughed at them and callled them "cattle" because they behaved in the same way and their way of thinking was so similar. 

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2009, 12:03:32 PM »
Violetta, thank you very much for the informations!, so, Nicholas I's daughters were similar to OTMA, for me it's a great pleasure to descovere that I was wrong.  :)
Also, I wonder how was the relations between their brothers...
 

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2009, 12:26:23 PM »
The problem with Nikolay I`s daughters is the following : we know too little about them whereas OTMA`s lives were described by many people both from the family, the servants etc. You probably know the story of Olga`s prospective suitor who became Alexandra`s husband. The Herediatry Duke of Hessen Kassel came to Russia to court Olga and probably ask her to marry him `cause Olga, according to those standards, was becoming a spinster ( at 22 or 23, I think). The guest did like Olga, but the next day he saw Alexandra who was absent the previous day because of slight cold. He fell in love with A, and Olga though she DID like her guest and DID want to marry, did not feel bitter because her sister "stole" her prospective husband. It does testify to the extent of love,affection and readiness to self-sacrifice in case of the sist ers

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2009, 02:01:05 PM »
The three daughers of Nikolay I seem to be very intersting to me. May be because they are so remote in time...it is so intersting to discover lives of women who lived under compleely diffeent circumstances. Of course, they were the Emperor`s dughters, their lives differed from those of their contemporary females.Distance in time and their status make their lives and first of all mode of thinking a little bit incomprehensible to us.
But as for the death of Alexandra, the Tzar accoeding to the memories of Olga, the Queen of Wurtemberg, started growing older after her death. he never recovered from this loss. he even ordered to change completely the interior of the room where she lay dying because this look was too painful for him.
According to Queen Olga,the girls were so close to each other, and their upbringing so similar, that their aunt laughed at them and callled them "cattle" because they behaved in the same way and their way of thinking was so similar. 

Which aunt called them "cattle"?

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2009, 03:22:43 PM »
elena pavlovna the wife of GD Mikhail Pavlovich. cattle or a herd of cattle. the girls did not feel offended.olga, the queen of wurtemberg, was very ironic about the whole situation.the point is that girls were so close to each other that they isolted themselves from the others. elena pavlovna invited thrm to her parties so that the girls could see other people and face different situations.

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2009, 05:01:26 PM »
And maybe "mingle" with her daughters...were her daughters so close to each other like the daughters of an Emperor?

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2009, 06:43:23 PM »
And maybe "mingle" with her daughters...were her daughters so close to each other like the daughters of an Emperor?

it was not about "mingling with her daughters". as the queen of wurtemberg remembers, elena pavlovna found out that Nikolay I `s daughters were isolated that they live with people who think alike, and no new idea could reach the girls. hence she decided "to shake" them. once she heard them sing a song about a day "lighted up with love" and asked them if they knew what this meant. they didn`t, and elena pavlovna kept asking questions. than both parties realized how isolated and naive the girls were concerning many issues. it was owing to her aunt that olga began to socialize ( olga admitted this). elena pavlovna took her to the mikhailovskiy palace. later on people admitted that olga was like a frightened deer  as she was so unaccostomed to simple social rituals like simple chat etc. but this "magic" atmosphere became attractive to olga who found out for the first time in her life how to flirt innocently with yong men. she admitted that although she didn`t like  a certain young man she like the fact that he liked her...

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2009, 01:38:24 AM »
Was Olga the prettiest of the sisters or was it Alexandra as I often have red it?
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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2009, 06:08:56 AM »
Was Olga the prettiest of the sisters or was it Alexandra as I often have red it?

You can browse through the portraits of all three sisters - they are posted at the proper threads on them - and judge yourself as the prettiness is always a matter of taste and fashion.
I read various opinions of the contemporaries - one think Olga was a beauty, other- Maria, another - Alexandra.

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2009, 07:26:19 AM »
another - Alexandra.

If I can express my personal opinion, I am inclined to consider the Grand Duchess Alexandra the most fascinating of the three daughters of Tsar Nicholas I.
Maybe because I consider one of her portraits that I posted in reply #37 in Portraits of the Romanovs XVIII - Middle XIX cent., one of the most beautiful portraits of Imperial Russia time.
However as I said, this is just my personal opinion.

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2009, 10:32:15 AM »
I don`t know who was the most fascinating : Maria, Alexandra or Olga. Alexandra, called Adini by her family, died too early so she did not bloom fully she didn`t mature and display herself. Maria maried down  probably this was the reason why she was a little neglected by her contemporaries (this is the impression that I got). Olga took the most brilliant position as the queen of wurtemberg, she did so many good things during her stay there.she is still remembered there. May be Alexandra was fascinating but because of hr untimely death she didn`t do what she could have done as a wife mother and the consort of the duke of hessen-kassel. I think we tend to idealize those who passed away too early, who died tragicaaly. especially if it was a beuatiful young princess, pure loving etc. as edgar poe said: what could be more beautiful than a death of a young beautiful woman?

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2009, 10:42:45 AM »
I think we tend to idealize those who passed away too early, who died tragicaaly. especially if it was a beuatiful young princess, pure loving etc. as edgar poe said: what could be more beautiful than a death of a young beautiful woman?

You're right, this is also the reason that makes OTMA still so popular.

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Re: The three daughters of Tsar Nikolai I.
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2009, 11:32:27 AM »
Not counting a couple of stillborns, there was a fourth daughter--Grand Duchess Elizaveta Nikolaevna.  She died very young, however; I think she was only three years old.  Does anyone know anything about her, or what happened to her?