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Offline etonexile

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A Gift From God....
« on: May 12, 2005, 05:04:13 PM »
It's my understanding that under Orthodoxy and tradition...the throne of the Russian Czars was a gift from God....Could one ever completely abandon the idea of imperial rule....if one were religious?

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Re: A Gift From God....
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 10:14:37 AM »
That's a point... I don't know. ??? I presume the Russian Orthodox church today recognises Russia's present government?

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Re: A Gift From God....
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 08:25:14 PM »
The tsarism, if I can call it as this way, was so based on religion, till the title of the Tsar (I
read that it started "For the Grace of Lord Tsar of all the Russias....), to this point that I haven't
heard before.

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Re: A Gift From God....
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 07:22:41 AM »
It's my understanding that under Orthodoxy and tradition...the throne of the Russian Czars was a gift from God....Could one ever completely abandon the idea of imperial rule....if one were religious?

All regimes pretty well since the dawn of time until the twentieth century were associated with religion in some form or another, including the democracies of ancient Greece and Republican Rome, so for the Tsars to put forward the claim that they held their right to rule from God alone was completely typical and not special in any respect whatsoever.  Indeed, official documents of Elizabeth II today use the phrase "Elizabeth, by the grace of God, Queen...." which embodies exactly the same concept.  And plenty of religious people in Britain see no incongruity if they are also republicans though their Queen also claims her throne as the gift of God.  If the Bolsheviks had exiled the Tsar and his family instead of murdering them, and had refrained from persecuting religious bodies, thus putting orthodoxy and the throne in the same corner, you might have found plenty of religious people after a while who did not consider the new regime to be godless just because it did not have a Tsar.  Although, if you were really religious you might consider that the Tsar's death showed God no longer supported the imperial throne - "the Lord giveth and the Lord hath taken away". 

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Re: A Gift From God....
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2009, 02:48:49 PM »
Yes, I agree completely that not only in Russia the church, or the religion was associated with the
governments. About England you can see it on the national anthem... God save the King/ Queen...

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Re: A Gift From God....
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2009, 07:10:44 AM »
It's my understanding that under Orthodoxy and tradition...the throne of the Russian Czars was a gift from God....Could one ever completely abandon the idea of imperial rule....if one were religious?

Indeed, if you were jewish and religious, you may have thought that whoever had given the gift of the throne to the Russian Czars was not God but the other person.