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Olga's figure
« on: October 06, 2009, 02:53:18 PM »
Do you know the measures of the Grand Duchess Olga?
What do you know about her waist, hips.

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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2009, 01:25:49 PM »
 That's a very interesant question...I wish to know that to.
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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2009, 02:49:40 PM »
I have never found physical measurements for any of OTMAA. However, I do have some very basic measurements for the length of the formal court dresses worn by Olga and Tatiana in 1913, as well as their regimental uniforms. These measurements indicate the girls' height more than shape/figure, but they're the nearest thing I have to what you're looking for.

Olga's 1913 dress:
length of bodice - 35 cm
length of skirt - 138 cm
length of train - 262 cm
kokoshnik - 60 cm

Olga's uniform:
back of dolman - 60 cm
skirt - 102 cm

Tatiana's 1913 dress:
length of bodice - 31 cm
length of skirt - 142 cm
length of train - 291 cm

Tatiana's uniform:
back of tunic - 58 cm
epaulettes - 12 cm
skirt - 138 cm

(measurements taken from Nicholas and Alexandra: The Last Imperial Family of Tsarist Russia)
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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2009, 06:42:30 PM »
Wow!! Thank you very much Sarushka !!! ;-)

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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2009, 07:27:38 PM »
Man, I hate American schools.  The rest of the world uses metric, and they only want us to use our weird system.  I guess they didin't think any students would actually do anything extra-curricuar wiht it like me.

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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2009, 07:53:28 PM »
1 inch = 2.54 centimeters
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2009, 07:58:16 PM »
Thank you!

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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2009, 03:41:21 PM »
Thank you for information, Sarushka, they are very helpful. I played with some proportions on regarding the OT's heights by wearing Court Growns in 1913.


(Courtesy of Sarushka)

Since measurement of Tatiana's skirt is 142 cm(s), I consider by that length going from feet up to shoulders (No heels including). Considering that is approximately 7/8 of Tatiana's height (human body proportions - 1/8 - head, 3/8 - torso and 4/8 =1/2 ) , we can make one formula. ( 'x' is to be full length of Tatiana's).
1/8*x+142 = x . (Head + torso and legs together = full length). Next tip -- to multiple with 8, as we get then x+1136=8x => 7x=1136 => x= 162.2857.... cm or 63, 8 inches in 1913.

Analogically, Olga's height was in 1913 approximately 158 cm, or 62,09 inches.  ;-). Numbers don't lie, although if all assumption are correct, relating skirts length and proportions. Finally I got a chance to play with numbers bit. By early 1918, they have grown up a bit, even taller than Nicholas , So Tatiana was cca. 167. She has grown up for cca. 5 cm in cca. 5 years. (Months and so on...).
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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2009, 06:43:54 PM »
Thank you very much for all the new details that you posted nena. I thought that they were
taller. What was her deffinitive aproximated height?

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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2009, 05:31:39 AM »
Welcome. Hm, it is very relative thing -- and depends in which year. As we can see, in Tatiana's case, she grew one 1 cm more per a year. (1913-1918). Almost same goes for Olga Nicholaievna, she also grew up quite a bit (going from 158 cm), over 160 cm in 1918. So, she (Olga) was as same height as (in 1918) Tatiana had been in 1913.
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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2009, 06:41:50 PM »
Yes, I was refferring to the last height that they had (in 1918)

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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2009, 08:19:13 PM »
Bingo, Kaiserin Alzbeta Sissi -- you have given me nice idea. To try to find out which Grand Duchess is with The Sovereign Emperor in this captivity photo:


(I have labeled her as' Tatiana').
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To back on Tatiana's 1913 photo for a moment -- I took a ruler, and measured her Grown. It is 9,5 cm long in this one. So it matches the length of her Grown. And her height is 11 cm long in the same one. Then we can use proportion method to be assured of previous results. We ought to make one more formula, by considering that we will mark 'x' he unknown height.

So -- measure of Court Grown (measured with ruler): 142 cm (length of her Grown) = height measure (by my ruler): x ; => 9,5: 142 = 11: x  => 9,5*x=142 *11  => x=142*11/9,5 = 164,421052....cm . the difference is two centimeters, so we use to take median result, which is approximately 163 cm (Tatiana's height in 1913). In addition, the last method is preciser.

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Considering the fact, that the captivity photo must have been taken in late 1917, early 1918, and also Nicholas ' height was same by that time (according to the forensic results done in the 90s, Nicholas' height was 165-170 cm) . Problem. We must choose the one measurement, or to do with each centimeter individually going from 165 to 170, and then to take median result, or just to pick one of. I will pick 166 cm. ( cca. 167 would be the best though, but I mustn't risk).

So, after I took measurements of the Tsar and one of Grand Duchesses (which are 14, 2 cm for Nicholas and 14 cm for GD), one new formula is to be made (We are finding out the real height of this GD, so we would compare it with forensic examinations). Notification - pity they are not standing at the same feetline, but it is obvious that girl is shorter, and it will not harm the results so much.
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14,2:14=166:x  => 14,2*x=166*14   => x= 166*14/14,2 = 163, 6619 . We can take it approximately 164 cm, a centimeter plus/minus. Now, if we consider that Body No#5 is Tatiana and body No#6 is Anastasia (Maria is missing in my case), we can see that height of No#5 was 166-177, pretty taller than Nicholas', and it is under our result. Not Tatiana. But height of body No#3 is  158-165, so nearer to our result ( cca. 164 cm), my conclusion is that is Olga with her father. Unless, all assumptions are correct, and I see by earring she was worn, I often saw Olga wearing it, rather to Tatiana. And IMO, her waist is fully developed and matured, which would fits with Olga rather to Tatiana. Unless Tatiana has grown up in the spring of 1918 so increasingly, which I doubt. Even in 1913 she was as same height as Olga was in 1918. Math can be wrong, but very rarely, if did, then it would be a mathematician's problem....In the worst case, when I take Nicholas' height to be 170 cm, the result turns to be on Tatiana's side, since the result is 167 cm, what fits the height of body No#5. (But he can't be 170 cm, the limit is 165 cm for the Grand Duchess, just between Olga and Tatiana). And If the GD is 167 cm in the photo, it is near the lower limit of forensic exhamination, and a contradiction therefore T. was surely taller that her father. Maybe Maria....Hehe. Unlikely. The length of face says to be Tatiana's and when I zoom in it becomes wider, like I was taught to see Olga Nicholaievna.

BTW, Photo is really strange, hard to decide if this is Olga or Tatiana. For the far distance, is say - t is Tatiana, undoubtedly. But when I zoom in....Things get complicated.

I just hope I wasn't so complicated. I will have to some measures with the Heir by that time.

Anyone's idea, who would the Grand Duchess would be, I vote for Olga, at first, my results showed it. I am dumb.
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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2009, 10:11:04 PM »
I'm thinking Olga for that photo  as well because no matter how thin she got ( and we know she was getting thin, by the end she was reportedly " nothing but  skin and bones" ) Olga's  face would remain wider than Tatiana's and imo, the woman in that photo has a wider face than Tatiana.  Plus as you say,  the errings Olga favored

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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2009, 04:08:08 PM »
What curious method Nena!!! Aund interesting results!! ;-)

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Re: Olga's figure
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2009, 10:42:00 PM »
I think it's Olga. The fact she is wearing a fur cape makes her less recognizable (I'm sure I'm not saying it correctly; my English is baaad); however, her face seems to be rounder than Tatiana's one, who was thiner and longer. But it's true that if you looks at her from far, she seems to be rather Tatiana than Olga.

As for the height , I think that the Tsar was not very tall and his wife was taller than him but not awfully tall...So, their children couldn't be that tall, either.

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