Olga's figure

[Olga Maria]

I still think it's Tatiana. IMO, Tatiana made that "curling lip" (I don't know how to say it) that is Olga's trademark that's why it made her appear like Olga...Oh I don't know how to say it. There are also times that Olga and Tatiana look like "twins". As long as none of the GDs tells us who that really is, we will not know the answer (and who is there to tell us if they are both dead?)  

[nena]

I really don't know what to say, I am agreed with you, I tried using mathematics's method, and they are on Olga's side, also by her earrings she wore in captivity. On the other side, figure of the GD matches with Tatiana;s one, while I still think that waist is fully developed, which was in Olga's case by winter of 1917/8.

[Sarushka]

IMO, Tatiana. I can't point to any solid evidence to prove it; my instinct has always been that it's Tatiana. (FWIW, both O&T had pearl earrings - they're visible in the 1914 formals.) Then again, it could be the proportions of her body -- see below.

Since measurement of Tatiana's skirt is 142 cm(s), I consider by that length going from feet up to shoulders (No heels including).

I think there's something strange about those measurements I gave you. The skirt length should only account for her height from her feet to her waist, and the bodice from waist to shoulder. But that would make Tatiana 173 cm tall (about 5.6 feet) at the shoulder in 1913! That's just not possible. It's also odd that the skirt of Olga's court dress is nearly 40 cm longer than her regimental skirt, yet for Tatiana the two skirts have only 4 cm difference.

I think Tatiana was unusually long-legged, as these regimental photos of O&T suggest:

Tatiana is not drastically taller than Olga (in some photos she even appears shorter than Olga) but her waist seems to be noticeably higher up on her body. According to the regimental measurements, Olga's uniform skirt was 36 cm (14 inches) shorter than Tatiana's.

I'm also guessing that the court dresses were designed with longer skirts than usual -- perhaps to accommodate high-heeled shoes? Otherwise it makes no sense for skirts worn in 1913 to be longer than skirts worn in 1914. It's hard to tell, since in most photos of the Big Pair's court dresses the train obscures the hemline of the skirt.

At any rate, the bodice/tunic measurements might give a better result for your formula. The bodices reach from shoulder to waist, and the tunics from shoulder to hip.

[nena]

I appreciate everyone minds. However , by that 142 cm, I consider, and it is IMO, logical to be length of her going from shoulder up to feet. (My unproved hypethesis). To try an inverted method. To check Tatiana's height in another 1913 photo (I think years is correct) in this one, comparing with Olga's, (from 1913, taken by P. Gilliard). We took their height's to be 158 and 163.


I measured Olga's height to be 9,5 and Tatiana's to be 10 cm long. Then after adjustment, we would be sure, if those length are correct.

O:T = 9,5 : 10 => 158:163 =9,5:10 => 0,9693... (left side) is nearly identical with 0,95 (right side). So, I have two conclusions : The first is that girls were approximately 158 and 163 cm long in 1913, and the second one that measurement of 142 cm of Tatiana's skirt (Court Grown) considers length from feet up to shoulders.  ;-) - since results matches. Of course, they grew up each month, but we can circulate around these lengths.

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On regarding their 1913 measurements of Regiments dresses, I think they are pretty odd, I measured at both of them 11cm long regimnts, while their skirt measurement you gave differs for 36 cm. And almost nothing matches.

Ah, thank you for explaniation about tunics/bodices. Olga's was longer. It is 4,5 at Olga and 4 cm at Tatiana.

So, it would be -- 35:31= 4,5:4. And it matches!! (1,1290...nearly 1,125). It means that lengths of bodices are correct. I repeat, to make precise results is not so available. But they are almost as same heights. Only, I don't know if they wore heels. I am sure that Tatiana was a bit taller

[Olga Maria]

I think they wear shoes with a heel height of either 1 inch or 1/2 inch based on some of their pictures.

[tian79]

Since measurement of Tatiana's skirt is 142 cm(s), I consider by that length going from feet up to shoulders (No heels including).

I think there's something strange about those measurements I gave you. The skirt length should only account for her height from her feet to her waist, and the bodice from waist to shoulder. But that would make Tatiana 173 cm tall (about 5.6 feet) at the shoulder in 1913! That's just not possible. It's also odd that the skirt of Olga's court dress is nearly 40 cm longer than her regimental skirt, yet for Tatiana the two skirts have only 4 cm difference.

I think that Tatiana’s 140 cm and Olga’s 138 cm are measurements from shoulder to feet.
T: 140 - 31 (bodice) =  109 cm skirt
O: 138 - 35 = 103 cm skirt (Olga's uniform skirt's length was 102)

Since measurement of Tatiana's skirt is 142 cm(s), I consider by that length going from feet up to shoulders (No heels including). Considering that is approximately 7/8 of Tatiana's height (human body proportions - 1/8 - head, 3/8 - torso and 4/8 =1/2 ) , we can make one formula. ( 'x' is to be full length of Tatiana's).
1/8*x+142 = x . (Head + torso and legs together = full length). Next tip -- to multiple with 8, as we get then x+1136=8x => 7x=1136 => x= 162.2857.... cm or 63, 8 inches in 1913.

Nena, good work calculating the heights.
I was just wondering, if 140 cm is from shoulders down and 1/8 is just the head, aren't we missing the length of the neck?


On a side note. Olga's weight on 23rd of Aug 1917 was 58,7 kg.
Tatiana 63,5 kg
Maria 68,8 kg
Anastasia 59,4 kg
Information from Dnevniki Nikolaya II i Aleksandry Fedorovny: 1917-1918 II

[blessOTMA]

 
On a side note. Olga's weight on 23rd of Aug 1917 was 58,7 kg.
Tatiana 63,5 kg
Maria 68,8 kg
Anastasia 59,4 kg
Information from Dnevniki Nikolaya II i Aleksandry Fedorovny: 1917-1918 II
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Excuse please, what's that in pounds?

Thanks

[*Tina*]

58,7 kg -  about 129 pounds
63,5 kg - about 139,7 pounds
68,8 kg - about 151,5 pounds
59,4 kg - about 130,7 pounds

Note: I'm not sure about these, we've never learned with pounds in school, so...

[nena]

Thank you all. On regarding the neck length, it includes to be exact 1/8 part of human body. (However , there are always exceptions, someone has longer/shorter neck). And to be precise, and to make exact currency about the heights, it is not so easy. In this universe, it is impossible. Something like that is, doesn't exist. Thanks for giving weights, and for Regiments uniforms measurements! Rule says (there are NO rules about human beings) that 'normal' difference between someone's height and weight should be 110 . So, if I am 183 cm long, then my weight should be 73 kg. And it is not true.

I have done one research and few rehearsals, I recommend you to visit my new thread, The Imperial Children's heights. IMO, I placed it in an appropriate section, I also think those results are extensive, and we may discuss about it detailed. Any suggestion, or correction is heartidly welcomed!.

Your Nena.  ;-)

[susana]

Hey ya'll if you check out Robert Massie's book on the family bones at excavation you'll see that Maria was the tallest, then Tatiana, Olga, and short Anastasia. Also Olga and Maria both had broad faces while Tatiana and Anastasia had slimmer faces. I believe its Maria in the photo with Nicholas, and in Tobolsk because of the snow.
Susana

[blessOTMA]

I use to think it was Olga...but I have since  seen the book it's printed in and it's Tatiana. I wish it scanned better!

 

[*Tina*]

I use to think it was Olga...but I have since  seen the book it's printed in and it's Tatiana. I wish it scanned better!

 

Yeah, it looks most like Tatiana too me too. ^^

[blessOTMA]

Here's the full shot....even the stance is like TN's 

[Sweet_Angel]

Indeed that is Tatiana with her father.

[voyageroffreedom]

The picture can be a bit misleading at first because you can't tell whether it's Olga or Tatiana.
IMO the girl is more taller than Olga was, it's definitely Tatiana in this picture.