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PAVLOV

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #225 on: August 31, 2009, 03:16:58 PM »
Thanks for your informative responses to my questions. Amazing that so little was saved, 11000 out of 70000 items ! Good heavens, and now they are fighting about it. I think Pavlovsk is beautiful and crammed full of pieces belonging to other palaces. I wonder what it would look like if everything righfully belonging elsewhere was returned ? Probably quite empty.

I think Pavlovsk has so much because the museum curators at the time just helped themselves to everything in the warehouses that was saved before the war. They had first choice, at the right time !

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« Reply #226 on: February 05, 2010, 11:31:39 AM »
Кадр кинохроники 1941 Гатчинский дворец приход немцев.


Wippich

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #227 on: February 16, 2010, 11:21:00 PM »
Hello :)
this is a nice Forum and I'm very happy to have found it. I have several personal relations to Gatchina.
- Its a really philosophical story...

The eldest connection:
My Esthonian grand-grand--grandpa was owned by a "baron" ("Freiherr") in Pernau and made beer for him ("Brau-Meister") - and when he got his freedom in the 2nd half of the IXth century he married away - to a little colony of Esthonian farmers at the river Volkhov near Nowgorod. There he made beer and sold the rest ("Maische") to put it in the fields, and that gave more good corn to make more beer etc - U know? - and he became "rich" - rich enough, that my grand-grandpa, his son, with 9 children (7 daughters) to buy a so called M6isa ("Gut") nearer to Esthonian lands. They were 10 Esthonian families who bought, and the baron there lived still in his manour house between them. Must have been in the time of land-reform, 1904 or so. Now his daughters were seen as nearly manor-daughters (M6isa-T"utar, "Gutstochter"). The railway time was beginning, and the Tsar had jobs for clever boys, not good paid, but their uniforms had "golden buttons" with little eagles on it. My grandpa saw such a train in Southern Estonia and fell in love to this way of life. He learnt very busy - his parents had a poor farm there - and I don't know, why - once he visited our grandpa in this M6isa and asked for the unmarried sister of him - 22 years old was nearly "old" in those times for an unmarried lady. But while drinking a cup of tea and talking about, the eldest daughter served from the samovar and with littles cakes, always curious to have a look at the amazing "golden buttons", smiling about how nice they were... - and suddenly my grandpa decided to prefer this handsome maiden for his marriage - she was 15 years old, the eldest of 9 siblings and very happy to come out of the house with all the babes she had to care for each time when the next came... U know? - And no problem, he got her.

- To make a little festivity of such occasion, he took my grandma with him - surely by train - and they had the possibility to visit Gatchina Gardens, this Isle of Love with the pavillion of Venuse. :) Here they spoke about being a good partnership, made some nice fotos and married in 1915. In this time of the war he got a railway-station only for transporting goods in South-Eastern Esthonia and were busy with this job, they had a personnel of 12 men. Then the revolution broke out - our family of the M6isa of Moloskovitsa had to run away - because, now they were the "bad capitalista", and disapperaed while my grandma just got her 2nd baby and one of her sisters was sent to care for my mother, the elderly baby.

- In the same wartime, only 3 years earlier, my father had been a baby near "The battle of Tannenberg", his mother and other wifes hiding in the woods, when the Russian Army went in. Now, in 1917, the last Tsarist order came to the railway stations "Beware the Bolshevists - let not fall the trains and stations in their hands!" - so my Grandpa hid a whole armoured train with all the station's things and his 12 men of railway-personnel and his little family in a birchwood in the Esthonian swamps, I assume, it was deep frozen winter, beginning january of 1918. He knew the woods and the swamps vrery well. So they had to stand the end of war and the following war for freedom, with changing armies and partisans and Esthonian Metsavendad (in zhose times this were in the most civilian people hiding in the infinite woods. The revolting Bolshevists came over the land alike as in trance and had killed each bishop, mayor, governement at each level, professor, specialist, lokomotive-driver, teacher, policeman, farm-owner, shop-owner, etc they could catch, they burned houses, especially the M6isas, and devastated a lot with dynamite, factories, whole farm-buildings and so on, and rape was usual to all the female mankind which did not run in the woods, even in the regular army's use inn South of Eastern Prussia, as my grandma (fatherside) saw.
- We are sure that they at first made a similar raid on Gatshina and at least even parts of the medical clinics, only because it was the Tsar's own. Maybe, this was never the idea of a Mr.Lenin or Mr.Trotzki - but such thinggs happen - sadly enough.

After this WW I, my both families went to places which seamt bertter defended, my mother's father to Narwa railway station - but several years later he died, my father's mother to Koenigsberg, the greatest stronghold of Eastern Prussia. Her husband had died directly after the war, by exhaustion.

My Mother was then a freed Esthonian, in "those times" then living in Narva at the river Narva, the stronghold-border to Russia - my father got a new father, a merchant, and became a German doctor from Koenigsberg Eastern Prussia - (today Kaliningrad). He didn't like to serve zhe army, but when just finishing his studies they got him and the WW II began some month before - he even couldn't finish the "clinical year" they needed before getting their doctor's degree. - in the time when he made a lot of surgery in the "battle of Somme" / Belgia, there was a Red Cross Unit No.6 coming from Frankfurt /Main - simple nice housewives, U know, standing at the railway-stations and presenting hot soup or coffee to the exhausted soldiers coming from the Somme.

(continue follows)

Wippich

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #228 on: February 16, 2010, 11:25:03 PM »
(Part 2 of 5) Hello again :)
Now, in the same days was my mother a fresh married wife of a policeman and they had their first child. It was born on the 2nd of September in 1939, and her doc had told her something of a war broken out between Polonia and Germany - and she thougt: its far away, we have our baby and should be happy - - - the year after, Sowjets took Esthonia and now her husband was one to "disappear". Soon after, several relatives had to become again Metsavendad, living in the woods and hiding under swamps, because of the 1st Stalinist's "clearing wave". In July of 1941 the deportation-wave climbed up the scale in Esthonia, that nearly every 3rd person was killed or brought to "Seberia". But - o wonder, once came an old wife, knocking at mygranfma's door - her own mother. She told that they had to live as "punishment", they didn't know for what, banned for the "famous 25 years", near Krasnodar, the sisters have married, the brothers and father was dead, and that she had to go back in 2 weeks again. And then she drove off and was never heard of again.

Then came the Germans - without a shot all the Russians disappeared, but had found and deportated my mother's husband two weeks earlier. Nobody got a letter, why or where, in such a wave. - Crazy enough - in 2004/2005 we got the news about him. They hadn't suspected him to be an Esthonian policeman, they tokk him by force in this "Worker's army" because he was able as drawer - drawing technical constructions. He had to rebouild factories and machines in Jekaterinburg Region, near the river Rezh. When finished the work they all had to die. The most of them died in a battle of Velikje Luki. He was shot in a massgrave of Swerdlowsk ssome time later.
But we knew about his death another story: a friend of him had managed to flee to the Germans and told of a "tribunal" and his execution. The fact is the same.

In contrast to this experiences the Germans in Narva had been friendly and nice, and all had ot very much to eat. Sometimes they gave a bit more for the widow with the little child. They hat entered the city without a 2nd shot - only that usual test-shot. (it hit one window of the city-governement). The Russian idea made have been the same as in Alexander I times: let them go in at let the Russian winter kill them - it worked with Napoleon, why not a 2nd time?

My father and the Red Cross sisters were sent from the Somme - where they didn't meet - to Esthonia, the city of Walk (Valgu, Valga) as soon as the Wehrmacht had crossed the river of Narva. My father should finish his doctor's way in the rear (Etappe) because he had done a good surgery. He should give instruction to the Red Cross troop Nr 6 of Frankfurt /Main, which should now becoome really medical nurses for the front. His own instructor was sitting in Narwa in the house of a friend of my mother. - So they - the young widow and he nice doctor "who brought the freedom with him" fell in love.

- Then he had finished his time and written his promtion (Dr.med.) and sent this to Berlin, where his doctor-father was professor, he got the order - and "his" No.6 troop of Red Cross helpers, to go to Gatchina and to lead the installation of a "Krankensammelstelle" for the Wehrmacht. He should not tell, but people in love tell sometimes such things. Well, my mother knew his place, and had heard the story of her mother and the Pavillion - she was a bit curious - and longed very much for him. By chance, the Narva theater sent a troop of singers and dancers to Gatschina "Truppenbetreuung", to enjoy the wounded ones and their helpers, or the fighters and their officers. Some days were not fightings, only partisans, it was wintertime. She chhanged the place, no problem, each Esthonian can sing and dance and had the colorful clothes of the nations parts. She had no idea, what a "Krankensammelstelle" is - only, that he does a doctor's job.

A "Krankensammelstelle" is near a front, in the rear. A wounded soldier is brought at first to the nearest "Haupt-Verbands-Platz" for the first help and the more little hurtings - then to a "Lazarett"-building or tent.for perhaps amputations, surgery needings or if he has fever for some other reason. If it needs more time and several operations, and the people are too ill for making the way home, or too healthy and could go again to fighting duties, they make place in the "Lazarett" and have their treatment, or are simply recreating in the "Kranken-Sammel-Stelle" - here was a collection of specialized doctors for eyes and ears, throats and teeth, intern, infetcions, and higher surgery. My father had to organize all this, what were the needs in building barraks (Kranken-Baracken) and which could be done in houses near the main street or in this wonderful castle.

I saw a building in this forum, of "House Kuzumova" - and about 45 years later I met some ladies of the Red Cross Unit No.6 (now called  the "V.E.601" - by chance their chief-nurse Maria Krrebs found me some month before her death - they had their station in this house, it is absolutely similar to their old fotos. It was called a " B.u.V.Stelle" and was a house for recreation between the duties - shouldn't be very far from the railway station, because their job included to bring soups and coffie to the passing trains. - They were called the "Frankfurter Herzchen (Nicehearts of Frankfurt)" from the Hessian soldiers there. It was a mix of kiosk (Russians call it "Amerikanski"), casino, but not the officiers mess, guestrooms to sleep 1 or to nights, a greater room to meet. The "Herzchen" slept in another house between the barraks in the garden.

They told, once in their first winter, they awakened in the morning, had their "little first braekfeast" in the house and opening the door to go out, they found only a wall of snow and wondered. They went to the upper window - the same white wall. Then they rang up the hospital-house stright over in a little distance, asking, what happened. Those laughed and told them, this is a typical snow of Gatschina, the wind makes a wall of snow as high as a house. Then they rang up the soldiers and they did not vlear the path but had a better idea and dug a tunnel from the sleeper's-quarter to the hospital-house, as the snow-hens. So they need not to come often and make the path again. In the morning, in December, it was dark until 11 AM and became dark again on 1 PM - only 2 hours day.

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Wippich

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #229 on: February 16, 2010, 11:28:16 PM »
(part 3 of 5) Hello again :)
- But in the spring and summer it was so much light, that they put their seeds for salad out and in 2 weeks the salad (Kopfsalat) was ready to eat - and all the "Herzchen" used to have seeds for salad, vegetables and flowers with them, they told me, because the so called "Ration" for foods was never enough for the ill ones, the hungry soldiers and pilots and themselves. Each time in that war, when they arrived in a place to stay some month, they set their seeds in the earth, for to eat healthy things, and for flowers, too, for to have a tiny private joy. They didn't destroy any ancient building where they lived in, because ll the Hessians remembers the 2 Prinzesses of Darmstadt-Hessia who died in Russia 1917 as wife of a Tsar and his brother. I lived in a little city that belonged to Grosherzog Ernst of Darmstadt, and I saw in the family albums again and again zhe first sides with fotos of the unhappy Tsar family and of the last Grosherzog-Son Georg and his family who died by an accident all together in 1 week after Ernst died. - In a villa - manor house or castle - they had different stations - they repaired wrotten things they got, perhaps rotten by gunshotts or shells - well, it was in the midst of a war, polished the windows and furniture and cleaned this as eagerly as their hospital stations and felt daily some minutes alike Princesses themselves. They even tell this in their "Etappen-Reports" I was allowed to read through. The rule of Red Cross was, that each one had to write a report about their last station - and then after the war they found out, they were 40 women and had had 40 places to care for in that war, beginning in Antwerpen, then Somme, then Paris railway station, then near the Mediterrean coast so days recreation, then Lille, again the railway care, then Walk, then Gatschina /Lrasnogwardeisk railway care and Luga, then Riga, then a quick rescue of the wives after the "Kurland Kessel" was a bit opened again, then over the sea to Schleswig-Holstein, and then in different after-war-prisoner's-camps, now with Germans inside.

- U understand, these little housewifes loved theitr "station" in Gatschina, beause it was the castle of their beloved daughters of "Grosherzog Ernst Ludwig the last". When my mother wrote to her husband, my father, that she has his child coming, inside, he wrote back: if a son, give him the name of Georg. That should be an influence of his brave "Herzchen". In our total great family nobody was a Georg. I'm sure, he didn't think about king George of England. Maybe he remembered faintly the Saint "George, The Helper of the Ridders".

After the war the friend and instructor of my father, a Dr.Enders, based in Narva, found us alive, my father KIA (killed in action, he never saw me in his life on earth) and heard that I was severely ill from the beginning of my life in Sowjet-occupated Koenigsberg, he invited me to his home for half a year, in Vienna (Wien, then I was 5 years old) - and he was a catholic and indeed a ridder, when he died. We had the cance to meet him later again, when I was 16 years old. He had a pack of fotos from Gatschina and we were allowed to look them through, perhaps to get some pics of my fasther - when we were driven out of Eastern-Prussia we were not allowed to take with us a single paper or book or fotos of our beloved ones. We only "smuggled" an oil painting and a little sample of (torn) fotos of my family.

Now, the fotos in Vienna included a seria of Gatschina-postcards, I remember the 2 great stone-bulldogs at the entrance to the garden, and some of the happy wallpaintings of the time of Great Catherine, the Emperess, with the "story of the lover and the maiden" - he told, rooms and rooms, this story went on, and all the soldiers were much amused to have detected a forgotton old nice-painted "striptease-collection" - and each who could made fotos - but then came the SS-troops and stole the walls (maybe I didn't understand this correctly, I was young - they didn't destroy them but with archaeoligical know how they let them pick from the walls as an Egypt fresco, piece by peace and sent them to Germany to reconstruct them later for a museum's sake).

And one of the pics was this Pavillion of Venus, from outside - and one from inside. It was painted over and over with little angels of love - Amor, Cupido - U know - very nice, I assume in Rokkoko style. Not coloured fotos, but made for the use as postcards. We assume, the Bolshevists didn't look at and held some goats in the pavillon or used it to store things inside, as they used to do in those times. The German's army found them funny and the SS not enough "worthful" to steal it also. - Later, when urged to leave the place, a special troop was used, by Stalin and by Hitler, to destroy anything with dynamite, bridges, greater buildings to have bureaus in them, stores, wells, anything, what might be useful for the enemy - they only, both sides, were in hurry if thus time arrived to do, then the buildings stayed intact
- then the little Pavillion might have had the luck of "not important" - and only nobody cared for it, when windows broke.

The "Herzchen" had the fotos of the Pavillion and from the great castle those both bullogs - no foto from inside. I assume, inside was the SS in the better rooms, and the "Flighter aces", sometimes, and bureaus for the SD, and "better" special-doctors, flown in for hurt people which needed quick good help, especially the airbase chiefs and their better clientel.

As for my father, the doc of Gatschina-hurt soldiers, his "fee" (Sold) was 70 RM - to rent a seria-dwelling for a family with 3 rooms in that time U needed 60 RM in Koenigsberg. He needed foods from home to do his job. He had "good" relatives on farms to sent him such, and he had his proud parents. Their first doctor in the family :);) - and I became the 2nd.....

- This Gatschina-station was combined with another Luga-East, maybe in a wood - they toold of driving with a horse-driven vehicle to a lonely bureau half the way from Gatchina to Luga-East, I assume, this must have been a Wehrmacht-barack and needed "some papers", routine - perhaps a "Feldpolizei"-Station? to write passender-visa to work, if new Red Cross personel had arrived? - or a weekly report, who loved and who was dead? - some of the Red Cross people were in Luga, some in Gatschina, here in that nice villa of the B.u.V.Stelle, and some in the wide gardens of Pushkin castle with a whole city of Baracks of this "Krankensammelstelle" for to help the wounded ones.

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Wippich

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #230 on: February 16, 2010, 11:30:46 PM »
(part 4 of 5) Hello again : sdrastwuj :)
They told, sometimes came a "Dicke Bertha" aeroplane, later more often, unto daily, this flew so deep (maybe to avoid radar?) that each knew, that theit skin was linnen, not aluminium or steel - they threw mortars, bombs, or sent shooting rounds when crossing the Krankensammelstelle, day or night, ignoring the red crosses on the roofs. When they just were doing an operation, the doctors and nurses took the sleepimg patient and went all together with him unter the "bed" (OP-Pritsche) made their hand-lamps on and continued the operation. In thee first time a "newbie" cried hysterically for fear, if such happened, then one of the others beat her in the face and told, to be silent. Some wekks and nobody cried or shocked about a "Dicke Bertha", because it became a normal thing that happens. Surely, the one or other of them died by these attacks and raids while healing others. But where to complain? Nearly all the world suffered similarly. But therefore they loved the flying service nearby, those pilots who hunted those "Dicke Berthas" as acrobats as they.

I saw in the lists of flight Aces, that the Russians were in 2'000 unto 4'000 m height but also in 200 unto 50, even 5 to 10 m heigth. The most problematic seem to have been the mortar-shells of "Stalin Orgel" - shooting serias of exploding materia. Once a man stood just at the dotors tent, he told me, that he had been a "Krad-Melder" (motorxycle-messenders) and a piece of a mortar shell hit and cut open his main blood adder to the head - this meant "dead in 1 minute". The next doctor, always some sterile packs with OP-needles with him in the mantle, tore it off with his teeth while grabbing with one fist to the man's neck, holding the air out of that otherwise deadly wound, and sewed it alltogether until the blood stood still. Since that time the man had no pulse in his right arm, but after that first recreation time no other problem - I met him 30 years later and asked because this mysterious pulse-disapperaring.

They "repaired" in Gatchina - thorougly or "quick and dirty" - a lot of soldiers and civil personnel, many pilots came in, later the wounded became more dirty, more hungry and younger and younger, unto 16-17 years old boys, some of them weeping and crying for their Mama until still and dead - coming from heavy fighting in the swamps near that front north-eeastern fom them. Leningrad was not far away, while starving, but they had not the time to thnk about another place - they began to work here in a wintertime - the railway brought them from at home, and nobody wihed to speak about the situation, if they met for a short time this "civilisation's refugium in white" at Red Cross home in Gatchina or rhe other placess.

But some of them told to me, that they even began to forget to long for a holiday ("Front-Urlaub" nachhause) p.e.to see Frankfurt or their former life's family and friends - there was sorrow of bombs - ruins - friends destroyed in all the world's war-places, political terror in eaxh situatuion, never allowed to "greet" with the hand-up (Esthoniansbegan to make a hand-up and to say "Ei "utle" (= I din't say)) and they at the front had not all these feeling of pressure because the daily life was in risk and the job knew no hours. They say in Hessian language "Dumm muss mer sei, stark muss mer sei und de Ouhr nech kene" (U should be silly, should be strong - and never look at the clock) and tried to make their lonely little joys. Once they had a seed of Rittersporn-flowers in Gatschina - its a flower in German Gardens, which grows about 60 cm high - in Gatchina it was quickly unto 160 cm, wonderful flowers.

- Even some of the SS was not the same here, they said "Ab Tauroggen wird der Landser hoeflich" (when passinfg the border of Latvia (Tauroggen) the soldiers become politely) - the same was said in Narwa. The systems of Stalin and Hitler had been as similar, that nobody could know much around his place of working. A lot of SS-lower-grade-soldiers had only the job to transport the wounded through the lines, a hard an deadly painful job. One elderly "Waffen-SS"-man told me, he came to those troop because his mother, a widow was poor, and he used to sew his shoes himself of his elderly rotten clothes, and then the SS-recruitment promised to him a pair of leathern shoes.
Another one, a former "Hitlerjunge, then a soldier, told, that his mother cleant the Synagoge, he functioned as the "Shabbes Goy" - he managed to sta their Shabbes Goy until the 9th of November and iit was burnt, the Jews ordered away - and his mother without job.

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Wippich

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #231 on: February 16, 2010, 11:32:44 PM »
(part 6 of 5) Hello again :)
- When my mother reached the place of Gatschina, ehe knew, where to go to find my father, it was a morning, they had gone through the night in a bus, all the dancing girls of Narva - but she surely couldn't tell to somebody, whom she was looking for - they would call her a "spy" and kill her, she knew by instinct, looking at the total village of barracks - Stalin was a "teacher" of such things - she stood in a middle way (Gasse) and was really astonished. She dared not to ask anything. Then - by the wonder of love-instinct - my father came just out of the next door wishing just now to smoke a cigarette - having made operations all the night - and was astonished, too, to see her. In those times she was a beautiful lady, a mix between Greta Garbo legs and Zarah-Leander-face, but with full dark hair. - Even Mrs.Maria Krebs, the chief of the Red Cross troop Nr.6, she laughed and said: we did see her through the windows and some of my girls sighed and said "No chance left to get this doctor!"

He said to my mother, she shouldn't dance for other men and wrote an attest, that she cannot dance. And then - "our tradition became truth" - he went with her in the Pavillion of Venus for a private lunch or supper he let bring there. The "Herzchen" had even a foto of him looking "totally in love". n these three days they "founded" me, I'll say - even my birth was a lot of wartime later.

Because many things were not allowed to make fotios of, the "Herzchen"

I assume, each thing has 3 sides - a right, a wrong and - my.

Greetinx,
I hope it is useful for Ur forum and for some questions :)

Dr.Wippich II

Margot

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #232 on: February 17, 2010, 12:52:57 AM »
Dear Dr Wippich

May I be the first of many to thank you very very much for taking the time to share the extraordinarily moving story of your parents and their and your connection to Gatchina! I was utterly spellbound by this! It is stories such as the one you have just shared here that bring an incredible immediacy to us all of the events that took passed between 1917 and 1945!

I am almost at a loss as to what to say! I think I had better read your posts again!

Thank you again for sharing this wonderful, sad yet profoundly heartwarming piece of your history with us here! I found some of the little personal details you have related such as the behaviour of the SS officers once they crossed the frontier most interesting! It is these sort of personal anecdotes which really put a human face to the epic struggle that was World War Two!


Thank you!

Wippich

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #233 on: February 17, 2010, 09:21:19 AM »
Hello Margot :)
thanx for Ur nice word
 
Only here I think U missed the point: What for the changing "behaviour .... once they crossed the frontier"
- I say it more precisely - the Red Cross wifes wondered about their bad behaviour at home in Germany unto Latvia, "barking" around, with word, lances and starring weapons - or soft and the more dangerous making each the spy and treator of his neighbour - zack-zack! - like a powerful godless elegant devil's community likes to behave for to spread horror - maybe similar to the Tscheka-people - and sometimes their wifes at home (in p.e.Frankfurt) the worse! - in the moment the mass of German soldiers had passed Tauroggen, eastwards - they felt more free and more themselves than at home in thore system - similar to the front-helper-women they began to enjoy politeness and friendlyness, as much, that the women-"comrades" joked about and said "Must be - they are shickered by champaign in the air". It was a phenomen! -

I'll tell U a last little story in connection to Gatchina (or Riga Kurland-Kessel, I cannot imagine to have happened there) - in one thread here in the forum is told, that the population of Gatchina had been evacuated from Krasnogwardeisk and Gatchina and so on - I assume, at first by the Sowjet order, "to give the enemy no chance to find any useful help or helper"

- then the wintertime arrived, and women, children, ill or old ones couldn't stand the frost and snow like snow-hens, and then a lot of them came back to the places the Germans now living in, to beg for food or little jobs, and the "Tauroggen-effect" was, that the German "Feldkueche" (soldier's own kitchen) gave them some soups, it is witnessed, not very much, but warm and a little chance to live

- we had a similar thankful memory,
1 Ukrainian Feldkueche in Koenigsberg, in the summer of 1945, feeding my mother daily when they saw she is getting a child in her womb (me). She could come daily to get 1 milkpot full of Kasha or "Borshtsh"-soup, and shared this with 19 other wives and her little son, the had a "magical cook" between, who managed to mis this little pot full of so called Kasha with collected edible herbs, leaves, grass, some detected supplies under burnt-out or bombed housess... - maybe this lady was a learnt Vegetarian-Society-member in better times. This soup was the soldier' own ration. Whether the NS nor the SU had allowed to do so, we "prisoners" or so called "freed" population in the enemies land had no "ration cards", never before 1947 a piece of bread. If any, then a "little" card for only a handful of bread, which needes administration - 4 stamps in 4 ttally distant places, sometimes one had to come 4 times again or more, and then one might have the luck to get this at the bread fabric, if not some hungry robbers killed the people coming from the last-stamp's station and took the card, plus killing and eating this unhappy person, too. It truely happens.
- The maximum I heard from, a man doing the very hard job to bury the daily found deads of the city - they won a "right" for 400 gramm bread a day, and that he once needed the total of November to get his promised bread (9 of 10 people in our city died in 2 years, the same in the city of Elbing - they told us, it is the revenge for Leningrad and we ddn't know what they meant - only later I got the knowledge about this huge war-criminality to give a city not a single chance for capitulation while blocking their nutritions - nobody spoke of this in radios or newsletters in NS-Germany, because the bad men knew the difference between war and criminality very well.... )

- Well, I wish to remember this, too - but it is a fact that my fathers hospital - Krankensammelstelle - gave a free treatment for ill people of the inborn population, and they did this friendly. - Some years later, I was born, lying in my "cradle" and we had found a place to live again (our house was burnt after the conquering of our city while raping badly my grandmother, until this nice Ukrainian cokk felt pity with her and cried "This is my wife!" and she learnt to add "yes! (=he is my husband)") - maybe an old "right of wars allowed raping for one or 2 weeks, but this went on, all 1945, and 1946, and 1947 until we left, driven away.

- My mother was one of the 3 last living women of the city who had stayed "unhurt" as far as we know. Se moved extremely cautious, she told. U must imagine, in those times such a fact results in a form of unhappy jealousy between the wifes and maidens, being such forgotten and delivered. We lived in a lonely house built for about 12 families with 200 wifes and childs in it, now. When the next drunken sowjet-soldiers knocked in the doors some of the others cried of desperation and fury, "Go to that room, the seweress, she hasn't yet....!" - and the 2 (they had a routine, they used to be 2, one with the Kalashnikow, U know, and then the oher helding the weapon at each other in the near). - Oh, I know the date - after 10th of september, 1946, because in that time we had put an oil-painting of my father in his Wehrmacht-doctors-uniform at the wall, dated 10.Sept.1946, and I was lying lame with poliomyelitis in my "cradle" near to my sewing mother, under this picture. It was a very similar painting, so great as alive, his face and shoulders, made from a postcard-foto of him, only looking stern and friendly.

- The soldiers went in and my mother felt very bad - no possibility to flee, nobody in to fetch help or to cry - in this moment, the one of the both asked, more to himself: "Who is this man? I know him!" - my mother understood this, because she spoke Russian language from Narva. She quicly told: "My husband, this child's father, a doctor." - and the soldier enjoyed and told his compagnon: "This German was a nice one, he healed my wounds and gave me a cigarette! - Lets go and do no harm to his wife." - and then said a friendly "dajdajdaj" to me, the babe, and went out - and my mother was rescued again.

So the one good deed helps to let a bad dead - sometimes.

my greetinx,
Dr Wippich

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #234 on: May 22, 2010, 05:00:53 AM »
Does anyone have any pre-revolutionary pictures of Gatchina?


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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #237 on: March 08, 2011, 01:34:47 PM »
Thanks for posting that Lilianna! It is a very interesting video.
It breaks my heart to see such destruction to the city and its people. I can't even imagine how difficult those times were.

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« Reply #238 on: March 08, 2011, 02:12:49 PM »
I read in his memoirs that in Pavlovsk and Pushkin soldiers did not meet anybody. In the cities there was no residents. Only the occupiers, who destroy everything. But we all recovered. How beautiful Pavlovsk, Peterhof, Strelnya, Pushkin!

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Re: Gatchina Palace
« Reply #239 on: April 03, 2011, 11:25:16 PM »
Railway station


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The city and the palace from the plane.