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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #15 on: October 22, 2006, 02:47:19 PM »
Joannah,as far as I can see you have mistaken in  your posts :the seam photo is attributed for two different things:klein michel manor and imperial station in Bielowecz...

In all cases your pics are absolutly marvellous!

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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2006, 03:03:17 PM »
On an internet page I found the project to renovate the manor and to turn one of the greatest hall into a private swimming pool...

I hope they could not fulfill their dream of destruction even if it would bring a new life to the whole monument.

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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2006, 03:04:13 PM »
Vassili, I am confused as I just checked all the links and they pertain to the Kleinmichel Villa on Kamenny. The style may be similar to the Bielowiez station but the villa is still there and when I visited was being restored.

Would you please identify the link that you believe is Bielowiez.
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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2008, 11:25:47 AM »
I was wondering if anyone knew more about Olga Voronova's family? I think she may have had a younger sister, Princess Elena Konstantinovna Kleinmichel Trubetskoy and another sister named Claire. I was wondering if anyone knew more about Claire, as well as their mother and stepfather, all who escaped the revolution.

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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2008, 01:40:42 AM »
I was wondering if anyone knew more about Olga Voronova's family? I think she may have had a younger sister, Princess Elena Konstantinovna Kleinmichel Trubetskoy and another sister named Claire. I was wondering if anyone knew more about Claire, as well as their mother and stepfather, all who escaped the revolution.

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Here's a link to a page of the Kleinmichel's site. On this page you can click on English links and read the memoirs of Olga Vorovona - very interesting and informative.

http://kleinmichel.prov.ru/upheaval.php

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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2008, 05:12:28 PM »
I just discovered that site yesterday. Its a great story. I found that her mother was Ekaterina Nikolaevna Bogdanova Kleinmichel. Unfortunately she doesn't name her stepfather or the name of her sister Clair's husband. Her sister had the fascinating name of Cleopatra.

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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2010, 09:04:40 PM »

Georges Victorovitch Martynov with his wife Countess Cleopatra (Claire) Constantinovna Kleinmichel and their children Constantin and Sophia

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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2010, 06:33:48 AM »
In her memoirs "Memories of a shipwrecked life" the Countess Marie Kleinmichel (1865 - 1931) gives an account on her escape from revolutionary Russia via Sweden to Baden-Baden. These memoirs were published in 1922. Now I was wondering if anyone knows and could tell about the Countess' fate during the last years of her life?
Her grave seems to be in Versailles.

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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2010, 04:49:39 AM »
In her memoirs "Memories of a shipwrecked life" the Countess Marie Kleinmichel (1865 - 1931) gives an account on her escape from revolutionary Russia via Sweden to Baden-Baden. These memoirs were published in 1922. Now I was wondering if anyone knows and could tell about the Countess' fate during the last years of her life?
Her grave seems to be in Versailles.

If you speak about Countess Maria Kleinmikhel (1846-1931) when she emigrated in 1918 to France and lived there till her death. She indeed was buried in Versailles, in 1938 her brother Alexander was buried under the same tomb.

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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2010, 11:33:34 AM »
Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel1
b. 27 March 1930

Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel|b. 27 Mar 1930 daughter of Vladimir Petrovich Kleinmichel, Count Kleinmichel b. 29 Jan 1901- 14 May 1982 and his wife Marie Gräfin von Carlow b. 31 Oct 1893- 5 Sep 1979 (daughter of Georg A. Herzog von Mecklenburg-Strelitz b. 6 Jun 1859\nd. 5 Dec 1909 and his wife Nataliya F. Vanljarskya b. 16 May 1858\nd. 14 Mar 1921
     Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel was born on 27 March 1930 at London, England.1 She is the daughter of Vladimir Petrovich Kleinmichel, Count Kleinmichel and Marie Gräfin von Carlow.
1 She married Philip Henry Russell Goodman, son of Sir Victor Martin Reeves Goodman and Julian Morrell, on 17 May 1957 at London, England.2,3
     Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel gained the title of Countess Kleinmichel.1 From 17 May 1957, her married name became Goodman.
Children of Sophie Vladimirovna Kleinmichel, Countess Kleinmichel and Philip Henry Russell Goodman
1.Mary Goodman+ b. 20 Oct 1959
2.Catherine Anne Goodman1 b. 22 Apr 1961
3.Elizabeth Ottoline Goodman+1 b. 21 Jan 1964
4.Sophia Goodman1 b. 11 Sep 1965
5.Xenia Alexandra Goodman+3 b. 5 Sep 1969

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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2010, 01:10:29 PM »
In her memoirs "Memories of a shipwrecked life" the Countess Marie Kleinmichel (1865 - 1931) gives an account on her escape from revolutionary Russia via Sweden to Baden-Baden. These memoirs were published in 1922. Now I was wondering if anyone knows and could tell about the Countess' fate during the last years of her life?
Her grave seems to be in Versailles.
Prince Serge Obolensky mentions in his autobiography "One man in his Time" that in the 1920's the Countess and her unmarried sister Countess von Keller were existing in France in deep poverty.To help them and at the same time spare their pride hge paid them the interest on a loan for some Obolensky property that the wily old Countess had....of course he knew he would never see the property again.
Countess Marie had a elder brother who was killed in the Russo Japanese war his son lived in France with his second wife but had from his 2 marriages only one daughter..he died i(if memory serves me right)n 1946

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Kleinmichel Arms
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2010, 05:06:53 PM »
The arms of the Counts Kleinmichel are an example of rather bad heraldry!

Rietstap blazons them as:
"Kleinmichel: Coupé d'or sur azur, à la fasce de gueules, chargée de cinq étoiles d'or, brochant sur le coupé. L'or chargé d'une aigle éployée naissante de sable, chaque tête sommée d'une couronne impériale, surmontée d'une troisième couronne impériale au naturel, aux rubans flottants d'azur, l'aigle portant sur l'aile dextre trois écussons d'argent, d'azur et d'argent, rangés en pal, sur l'aile senestre trois autres écussons, de gueules, d'or et de gueules, rangés pareillement en pal, et sur l'estomac un écusson de gueules, bordé d'or, chargé du chiffre H du même, surmonté d'une couronne impériale aussi d'or. L'azur chargé d'une ville d'argent, les maisons rangées en fasce, au-dessus desquelles s'élève un drapeau d'or. Trois casques couronnés."



I suppose the "silver town" in the lower half is supposed to represent the Winter Palace, considering that Peter Andreyevich Kleinmichel was raised to the comital dignity by Nicholas I for his rapid completion of the task entrusted to him, the rebuilding of the Winter Palace after a major fire. Crowned hammers or square and compass would have been much more fitting and in good heraldic taste, but perhaps Nicholas I considered such symbols too Masonic!?
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Re: The Kleinmichels
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2010, 01:45:52 PM »
This should belong here!!!
Why? None of these women were called Kleinmichel.

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Count Vladimir Kleinmichel
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2013, 10:02:08 PM »
In Charles Fenywesi’s Spendor in Exiles page 253, there is a mention of Count Vladimir Kleinmichel which follows:

“[Grand Duke]Wladimir does not wish to discuss family finances, nor does he like to talk about the sensitive issue of relations between Windsors and Romanoffs.  His cousins however are outspoken.  They tell the story of the Dowager Empress Maria, returning in the early 1920’s after a half-century of absence to her native Denmark as wife of Czar Alexander III and mother of Nicholas II, who asked her nephew George V to sell the jewels she succeeded in rescuing from Russia.  George V dispatched a courier, who was later put in charge of investing the surprisingly small sum of 10,000 pounds sterling that the jewels brought.

It did not take long to discover where Queen Mary’s new jewels had come from, and it soon became clear that most, if not all of the Dowager Empress’s jewels had been purchased by her English cousins.  ‘Queen Elizabeth is wearing those jewels today,’ I heard several  Romanoffs say with the same inflection of polite disgust.  More ironic is the fact that the man George V entrusted with the transaction, Count Vladimir Kleinmichel, received in the 1060’s the coveted title Commander of the Royal Victorian Order (CVO), given for services rendered to the English royal family”

Does anyone know how Count Vladimir Kleinmichel is related to Countess Marie Kleinmichel?  Were there any other Kleinmichels to reside in England?